I have been looking alot into adjustable butts and have seen alsort of designs capable of being adjusted in every direction possable and some I had never thought nessesary, but when I see them in use half of the avalible adjustment hasn't been touched. Therfore is all this adjustment needed, how many differant ways do you need it to move to make it comfortable? Does it not make the butt too long for most of riffles and too expensive for most of us? So what do you think, how many planes of adjustment do you use out of your butt etc. (please ignore any spelling mistakes cant get spell check to work) Simon
I generally get them comfortable for sitting, and leave them, but ideally you should be looking at sliding the butt up and down for each position, if not each target.
Hi Simon Like I said , I think a ball joint would give a fair amount of ' tilt ' and and Rob says - the unit must move up and down to allow even the newest in our sport to get comfortable when shouldering a rifle . Look at the simplistic Bisley design , it offers a basic ' all round ' movement ie : up / down and the butt pad can be swiveled 180 degrees . I think that most of the adjustments used are predominately for paper punchers but I could be wrong ..... it does sometimes happen . Fella just made a butt for my gun and I have to say it's rather good but is it cost effective ? lol atvb Dave
is there not a case that to much adjustment could also lead to holding your rifle wrong perhaps allowing you to move around it to much especially with a ball joint and hence to a bad stance
Only if you adjusted it wrong nad then it'd be the users fault for being a muppet! I suppose it's all about being comfortable, if you look at the various sizes/shapes of people shooting then a one size fits all gun won't be perfect for everyone so the adjustments are useful if you're an oddball! Ryan
I use an expesive butt hook with a miriad of adjustment, which allows me to set it so the rifle fits perfectly in the shoulder whenever it's mounted, I also move it vertically throughout an FT course for different disciplines and angles of terrain. I wouldn't like to shoot without it, but I wouldn't say it makes me hit any more targets. Neil
thats what i mean mate a newcomer to shooting may assume his grip is ok simply because it feels comfy in the shoulder whereas it could be all wrong due to an incorrectly adjusted butt
If it's comfy then it's right. There doesn't seem to be any hard and fast rules just trial and error until you get it right. Ryan
IMHO the most crucial adjustment is for 'length of pull' but like Kingplinker, I too, could be wrong.
The more specialised something becomes, the less flexible/accomodating it becomes. Some people in 10m have gone back to the old style rubber butt plates... If it's comfy, your probably ok, and in HFT you cant touch it, so it's better to have something flexible. If your unsure as to whether it's a good fit, feel around it with your other hand, or get someone to look over it... ideally it should follow the contour of your shoulder, not have any gaps and not have a bit sticking up or down...
The down side to the ball joint is that to have it move up and down as well it will be too long for most riffles. There are alot of people that dont like the idea of chopping off the end of their stock to make it fit, it wouldnt be possible to fit it to a light hunnter or such like, and could make selling your riffle harder as you would have to leave it on or expect the buyer to get one to make it useable. Im trying not to make it too long and easily interchangeable with a standard butt so more people could fit it and still give all the adjustment needed to make it comfortable.
How about up and down movement side to side swivel and about 10-15 deg of up and down swivel each way, and of corse the fingers move. I think I can achive this and its only 32mm thick. what do you think, enough movment?
Sounds fine to me Simon ... hope you got home ok without a CLUTCH mate Seeing you start the car and fly backwards in reverse was hilarious , seriously - I hope you and Ben got home ok ? Dave
Thanks Dave made it back ok, I only hade to stop twice at last all my racing changes practice came in handy.
