With all the recent AA issues FTP, now looks like HFT -What is your best AA ever?

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  1. john0neuk

    john0neuk Well-Known Member

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    Guys,

    Looking at recent posts re new AA kit, FTP, HFT etc thinking of starting a poll are PT's the best AA rifle ever?

    I have had 9 AA rifles over the last year - all worked well no leaks, no failures and no returns - FTP 900 beautiful design and looks shot well (Part ex for a Daystate platy and my Gary Cane EV2 stock), 2x Ultimate sporters (one now sold, one given to son for 21st birthday), S510 superlite (my first rifle - now sold) my Pro target which will never be sold (its a love thing). 1x EV2 mk3 (swapped for - I cant remember!) and an EV2 Mk4 again a keeper in its v nice GC stock! 2 x TX 200's one .22 standard and one in .177 Carbine think that is it!

    Never tried any of the older ones, 300, 400 series or NJR100 etc, but nearly picked up a Shamal recently just for the hell of it.

    Ready to be shot down but for me has to be the pro target - although the FTP was as sexy as hell!:eek:o
     
  2. luddite

    luddite I Love HFT

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    I own an NJR100 which is an excellent air rifle, if on the heavy side, with a superb trigger and very reliable, Air Arms have steadily gone downhill ever since. :shot:

    I've owned a couple of Protargets and an EV2 which didn't come close for quality or reliability. :(

    As for their latest offering, give it a couple of years and they may get that something like. :rolleyes:
     
  3. ellis d

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    The best AirArms ive ever owned is my Ev2 mk4, I bought it new from kibworth september 2010, its still going 4 years on its never leaked, anti tamper still fitted its the best gun ive ever owned its a "GILLY" destroyer....when im not hung over..!
     
  4. DazT

    DazT Nursing A Semi !!

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    for me its my rn10 . had it for years and its great. I recently had it upgraded with a CZ barrel and carbine cylinder and its deadly accurate, more accurate than my dommie and steyr. generally a joy to shoot.
    I had an s400 for a long time too and couldnt fault that, never had any issues with it and it too was a very accurate rifle. regret selling it :eek:o
     
  5. Neil-T

    Neil-T Boingers forever.

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    If you look on the FT circuit ( don't know about the HFT circuit) there are still lots of Pro- Targets being used in various guises, some of them are 20 years old or more.
     
  6. madplinker

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    Mainly on the hft circuit in Scotland its FTPs EV2s and S400s and Ultimate sporters in air arms. With a lot of steyrs and walthers aswell
     
  7. Lee67

    Lee67 Dink ! ...****'

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    Not got loads of experience , but I've had a couple of s400's that were spot on, an ev2 mk4 that's was and still is doing the business' and now an hft500, that on first impressions is gonna be a belter:D
     
  8. DEAN C.

    DEAN C. Steyr Convert

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    Are you forgetting that the Pro Target had serious reg issues when that came out?:rolleyes:

    I own an NJR100, GML400, GML410, ProTarget Carbine, my MPR and now an EV2 Mk4 as well.
    Oh and my Pro Sport which shoots better than I can do it justice with.
    I have had a Shamal FT and it was very accurate, but not as well designed as the NJR 100,especially the barrel fixing IMHO.

    Mmmm, The NJR was fantastic but long, and very dated with heavy looking parts internally.

    If you could change the PT to side lever it would be perfect.:D

    The new HFT500 is probably going to be as good as any MPR for HFT but it will be personal choice on the balance of the gun to each individual, mainly due to the longer cylinder and better standard stock.

    There are quite a few PT's running in the HFT circuit and it was only 2012 when Dave Semmens mopped up the NEFTA hunter with one very convincingly, I was miles behind him second with my MPR.

    I dont think one is better than the other for HFT. I dont like any of the standard stocks on anything AA have brought out, but at least the HFT is useable, and handles better than you would expect looking at it.
    The FTP is nice to handle but probably needs more time on the circuits to be developed a bit more, as with most new guns,and slightly too heavy for me, I like my HFT guns around 9 1/2 to 10lb.

    I still love my MPR though.
     
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  9. Dale

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    For me the best AA rifles:

    NJR100 - when reg is sorted.

    RN10/Pro-Target - with MK3 regulator.

    TX200 Mk1/ Mk2

    TX200SR
     
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    mk1 RN10
    mpr cs1000 stock
    S200T
    S410TDR btas
    MK2/3 tx200 22
    mk3 tx200 177 CS1000 STOCK
    AA ALPHA PROJ.PISTOL
    Think am an air arms fan,just need to learn to shoot now.
     
  11. john0neuk

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    I think you have captured the point, just come off a long PM trail with another guy. I think rifles need time to develop, AA is pushing the boundaries more regularly re new kit so have 1st and 2nd generation issues.
    I also feel we as shooters get wrapped up in the enthusiasm of new kit and maybe do not invest the time and effort to get a gun bedded in from new, pellets chosen and a good few 1000 round through the barrel and then the start to come sweet or we get to know them well enough to get "comfortable" with them. I was and still am a bit of a "butterfly" but only got into any form of shooting in Jan this year. I think I am finally coming to the conclusion that a lot of time served on here have already found, grass is not necessarily greener, new guns need time to develop and when you find a good one, resist the temptation to move it on! So many regrets out there amongst the glitterati of the air gun world re lost loves!
    One thing I do love about this whole scene is - you can come on the likes of this forum connect with 1000s of years of experience. Talk and mix with world champions, in their chosen specialism,
    and they freely share - name me another sport where you can do that. Went to Weston a month back and met and spoke to 5 former world/European champions - one of the best days my eldest son and I have had together! So will shoot till I can't hold a rifle anymore and enjoy the journey - probably always be mediocre but can fool myself if I had started 40 years ago I could have been good!
     
  12. cloverleaf

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    Interesting question. Of course "best" is subjective, but of all the dedicated FT guns the company has produced a Mk3 Pro-Target would be my choice as a working FT gun on account of its excellent trigger, better reg and faster lock time than the preceding NJR, while the PT is arguably the technological equal of later guns that "evolved" from its design.

    The Mk3 PT has a free-floating barrel (IIRC one of only two AA PCP rifles to date to run such a setup; despite the deluge of requests AA must have had to ditch the supports :eek:o) and from a more personal perspective is the only FT gun AA have ever made with a lefty friendly (ambi) action. I bought one new and sold it some months later as I didn't appreciate the weight - it's the only rifle I've had that I really regret selling :rolleyes:

    Technically I don't think the later guns added anything to the PT formula; fair enough the EV2 gave you a gauge, level and windicator arm.. however it was also blighted by AT and the guts were pretty much unchanged from the PT.

    Aesthetically I much prefer the PT's understated bluing, black anodising and plain laminate to the EV2's shameless Early-Learning-Centre-esq explosion of shiny bits and primary colours. Similarly the FTP is well-finished but hardly understated; while it may have improved ergonomics the poor reliability record plus the lack of much that's tangibly, technically better than its forerunners hardly has me reaching for my wallet.

    The fact that the FTP has a horrendously complicated shroud / barrel support setup (which most seem to pull off and chuck in the bin at the first available opportunity) doesn't inspire much confidence in AA's R&D dept, either..

    As much as I love AA products (I own an embarrassing number of them) I can't help but think they've lost their way a little in recent years. While the HFT 500 and S510 Ultimate Sporter are arguably very desirable and capable rifles, I'll never buy one on account of the anti-tamper and complete lack of a true left-handed option.


    IMO the Mk1 TX200 was the best springer they ever produced (which died a little when they added the anti-beartrap on the Mk2, then became a waste of time in standard guise when long-stroked as the Mk3).

    The S400 series are undeniably extremely popular, capable and well-rounded; however again I think AA ruined them with anti-tamper - the reason why all mine are pre-2005 and I'll never buy another new one.

    Finally the NJR is a beautiful and still very capable rifle (as others have said; excellent trigger but squiffy reg), however the Mk3 PT IMO represents the pinnacle of their target gun achievements.

    As much as I like their older products, sadly this once-innovative and leftie-friendly company hasn't made anything in the last nine years that inspires me to part with any cash.. :rolleyes:


    For now IMO, older is definitely better when it comes to Air Arms products: :D

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  13. Dale

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    My Pro-Target - export barrel with carbon fibre shroud, carbine cylinder and an early Paul Wilson stock.

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    NJR100 - fitted with Korick regulator and lightweight striker - why oh why did I sell it??

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    TX200SR MK2 with NJ Custom stock in Hyedua - bought sold and just bought it back (some mistakes can be fixed!).
     
  14. john0neuk

    john0neuk Well-Known Member

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    Lovely piece of timber wrapped around the NJR! How does the song go Regrets I have a few.............!
     
  15. tristinh

    tristinh FT Newbie

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    My only dabble in Air Arms has been a Pro Target Mk3 wrapped in a Paul Wilson stock and a John Ostler Reg.

    So far no complaints........

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