Unfair targets

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  1. popsheep

    popsheep Lee Marvin & the Shadows

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    A member brought some old Airgun World mags into the club last week so while waiting for a new member to turn up I read this and found it amusing,Its from AUG 1982
    Letter wrote to the Mag about a competion at Stourvale Woodsmans shooting ground at Gornal by Mr M. SKIDMORE from Warmley ,Bristol.
    third para read

    I watched as 2 targets failed to fall when hit fairly at a range of no more than 10 yards,fortunately ,the scorer was able to see the pellet hit and they awarded the appropriate kill.
    This was impossible on the 40 yard stander though,the scorer seemed to be fully aware that the targets were faulty and told me that you had to hit the centre of the kill area not the outside as it would not drop ,this brought the kill area down to half-a -inch across which I consider unfair .

    So its been happening for years but can you guess what Mr Pete Sparks would say to the scorer if that happened at a UKAHFT event
     
  2. RobF

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    Or dare I say it, at an FT event (lights blue touch paper and stands well back :D)

    I spent an afternoon on the GP course at South Dorset last year. Normally by lane 4 i've failed to drop at least one stander, and if that doesn't get me the one of the others will do. I did the whole lot until lane 25 and was clear. Two long sitters, 52+ ... first one fell. 2nd one waved it's paddle at me and remained stubbornly upright. A second shot in the same place and it fell cleanly. I muttered something about the target probably needing a bit of oil, but hand on heart, it probably didn't hit and I probably split... the target was battered and it just wasn't possible to see for certain I had a clean strike.

    I've had some lucky splits in my time, even some misses gone my way (hit a rabbit in the head one GP with a shocking pull of the rifle on a kneeler and it fell)... but having set out practice lanes and courses before, i've also seen clear bang slap in the middle marks only to reveal on close inspection a teeny mark inside edge of plate, which has vapourised the pellet and sprayed liquid lead onto the centre looking like a hit.

    There's no doubt there's an occasional stubborn target, especially if the nut behind rotates and grips... but when I think about the shots that have fallen for me when I didn't expect them, I think on par, i'm better off ;)

    They either fall over for me or it's a doughnut. Life is too short and it's only one target :) If I was tied for the World Championship, I might be niggling to call (and i'll call teeny stuff in the way on an FT course, which i'm sure wouldn't faze an HFT shooter... i've had Andy on the IOW running up and down lanes with his nail scissors tidying up his topairy, and the barracking after i've missed ;)) I've called stuff twice this year on the winter league and at least once last year... bloody FT primadonna :D
     
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    villiers Self appointed antipimp

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    Targets

    And a couple of times i have seen a blade of grass , and want to call it , but thought helll i am starting to be like Rob , shot and then clipped the blade and got a big fat zero.Now if :rolleyes: i was a Hft shooter
     
  4. Weevie

    Weevie Banned

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    Mr Skidmore saw the results of splitters.

    Every time I've marshalled (which hasn't been that often) at the start of a session someone calls a target and I'm forced to trudge up to said target and have my suspicions confirmed when I see half a pellet mark on the faceplate and a splash on the paddle. :rolleyes:

    To be honest I haven't the front to call a target. Maybe if I had Mark Wall or Sparky or Kieran's talent I might be tempted but I don't so I don't. ;)
     
  5. RobF

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    Don, they have to be in front of a target mate :D
     
  6. Jon

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    I used to be a member of that club for two years.

    I had to call one last month, string was tight prior to that cant remember 10 years? Luckilly we dont have many in FT.
    Anyone can throw a target out some where with no regard to where or how its shot from, rules state a clear shot but depends how many have gone through before you to an extent. No good looking at head height to see if its clear, common sense.
     
  7. AndyIoW

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    Wait until you start going round the course and then get the whistle blown every 2nd lane because some reed/grass has sprung up over night between target and firing point. Then once its clear you miss the target anyway :rolleyes:

    Whenever we set a course out now we spend time making sure there are no 'stray' bits. I also check the targets by gently tapping with a large nail in the middle of the kill.

    Personally I will only call for a target if mine is the only mark on it and I am sure I hit it fair and square. Have seen as Rob has a mark in the kill put another on the inside edge of the faceplate hole. Also had complete misses but the target falls down and splits were the kill moves but not enough to fall completely.
     
  8. Greenwing

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    I'm intrigued by some of the comments on this thread about blades of grass in the way.
    I'm wondering, do you not allow any partially obscured targets in FT? If there's a twig or blade of grass too close for comfort is it not up to you to shift a bit?
    I only ever shoot HFT so I admit I know nothing about the world of FT, just being curious about how a different discipline works. :)
     
  9. NJR 100

    NJR 100 Because I`m AWESIME !!

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    No, the kill zone must be clear.
    However, there are times when a twig / grass may move across the target during the shoot. If so, its up to the shooter to move perhaps or if thats not an option, call the target. However, when on a times shoot (not sure if Hft is timed?) having to move may result in the shooter running out of time (1 minute per target)
    Thing is with twigs etc, they may spoil your shot but be gone for the next shooter. Not really fair that!

    When we (Tondu) put on a Vermin shoot, i use metal bars or large stones to partially cover the kill zones, these are there for the duration!
     
  10. RobF

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    yep, it's like the problem we have at CGC, either it's wet before and dries and the targets come out or the wood swells and they fall out... this year was nearly different, we had permafrost on the range that you couldn't even drive a road pin into... i was fearing having to drill targets into the ground!
     
  11. D Martin

    D Martin Non member

    I can think of only one unfair target in 4 years of shooting.....I pulled the string as I have always done since shooting the wrong target in my early years to indicate that I was shooting the correct one ....looked through my scope and saw a black target with a 40mm kill with 3 or 4 misses around the kill zone....ranged it...shot it and nothing, not a sound.....because my pellet had gone straight through the hole where the paddel should have been and as a result I got a very heart sinking doughnut:( It happened somewhere around the Dartford tunnell :rolleyes::D:D;)

    Dave
     
  12. AndyIoW

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    The comment was a slight dig and Rob :D as he did something close to that at our ground a deqw years ago admittly the wind had picked up a bit and the some twigs had fallen down aroud n the course. Difficult to see them when its still dark in the mroning and you are runnign round checking everything else par the course.

    I think that most FT shooters will move slightly for the clearer line but there comes the problem when a course is set by a right handed shooter and some lefties shoot and find obstructions for them to shoot.
     
  13. NJR 100

    NJR 100 Because I`m AWESIME !!

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    Which is why we make our left handed Bear scope the course after its built /set.
     
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    We shot a Winter league comp at Guiseley (NEFTA) a few years back and on the first lane I took the shot - saw the hit and called the marshal. As I called the marshal the shooters on lanes either side of me did the same.

    The targets had frozen up and you could have hit them with a hammer - they wouldn't have fallen :)

    Luckily it was the first shot on the target and it was clear that the strike was good (on all 3 targets)

    Dave.
     
  15. Conor

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    Little bird

    Do any clubs still use the little bird/budgie type nockover target? It had a reputation to being notoriously dodgy at times
     
  16. Scooby

    Scooby Pete Dutton

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    Yes the nockover sparrow is well known for failing, Quarry have made a small modification to theirs & they never fail now
     
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    ours at cgc has been shot so many times it's got a hole in it... everynow and then it stands stubborn with the arse end of a pellet staring you in the face :D
     

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