Discussion in 'General Airgun Chat' started by CameronWilson, Jul 28, 2011.
Of all the rifles you've owned, which produced the tightest groups?
None, tight groups have always been down to the right pelletrs.
Both my Njr and my Ev2 will do groups the size of a 5p at 55 yards, with the right pellets. No wind, as yesterday as it happens at tondu.
Both will do shotgun groups with the wrong pellets.
So would you say that there really isn't much difference between barrels nowadays?
No, there can be a great difference.
I would say my Barrel on the PRIEST is far better than the Barrel on REV, I am liley to swap them in the winter?
However, a great barrel is not one if the wrong pellets are travelling along it.
Funnily enough my Daystate Mk3 was the best indoor gun I have ever had, off a rest and with weighed pellets that thing would make a tiny ragged hole all day long.
Much better than my steyr or Walther, but I sold the Mk3 and the Steyr. It makes no sense whatsoever but my Walther gets better results outdoors.
When its on form, my Daystate Mk3s
The best rifle I ever had for consistant gropus was an all steel Ripley AR5 that I had.
It would shoot anything great.
I would say it is down to pellets but alot of it is down to the barrels as well.
Im not a great person to talk to though about group shooting as I get bored very quickly and prefer to shoot proper targets. Im sure club mates of mine would agree with that haahaa.......
Don't keep on Berty your boring me now
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Hope you dont have to pedal the bike too hard to keep it going mind heehee.....
No i wont mate i will get the misses to pedal
I have shot extensivley at 55 yardswith most of the FT guns on the market over the last 10 yr. All are capable of 10mm groups with the right pellets in the right conditions. The best performer is the P70FT which is less fussy with pellets and barel condition. This gun can be relied on to put in the best gorups without 'off days'.
all of my domis will group well with the correct pellets .the best one i have is my spare and one that i sold with a mach 1 barrel was very good .
remember though groups dont win comps .
i find that you have some days you can group and some you cant ,i prefer to shoot targets.
finding the correct pellet is the key to groups
Thats something i dont agree with fully.
A tighter group means your pellet should go where you want it to go, so less channce of high + low hits + splits.
in comps, where targets fall over we dont always know where a pellet went in. Sometimes its a "lucky" shot just inside or off an edge when the wind is not judged / guessed correctly.
A gun that does not group tght may see a peelet strike the plate at say 10 / 11 oclock, as apposed to sneaking inside 9.
Smaller kills show this more than the 40 ml ones.
IMO rangefinding is more critical than grouping in FT. I agree with Mike good groups don't win comps, anywhere on the paddle is enough for for me.
I have shot a few guns but found the Steyr easier to group consistently well with. Ripley was very good but needed good technique, CRX also good. Again down to pellets and finding a good batch to suit the barrel funnily enough a few years back finding a good batch wasn't as difficult as now either was grouping.
I think a good trigger helps with good groups. The pellets have to be right as well.
I do like tight groups as on a windy day you need to be dropping the pellet right into the widest part of the kill (across the middle) to get the most chance of a hit.
This is also where the accurate rangefinding that Conor mentions comes into play as well.
Dont know where the pellet went?????
The one i can hold the steadiest.
This old chesnut again . as the man says , groups do not win comps . good rangefinding and windage win comps . as nick used to say , if your rifle can group into an inch at 55 yards you are on your way and even an EV2 will do that ??? HOLLY
PS range quick , shoot slow .