Steyr LG110 fitted w. BSA barrel

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  1. JasonGoldsmith66

    JasonGoldsmith66 Banned

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    ...this is/was published elsewhere on public forum...so just pasting it here for a library reference for others to read through...

    http://field-target.mforos.com/931594/7924845-drum-leupys-custom-shop/


    Interesting read, especially technical stuff ! :eek:

    Date: 2009

    " Hello XXXXX and thanks for getting in touch.

    I've re-barreled a lot of Steyr LG110 guns now with BSA barrels, and every time an improvement in accuracy has been noted by owners. These have all been for the target shooting fraternity who operate at power levels around 11 fpe.

    I agree with you that reducing the muzzle report does help accuracy as it improves concentration, but the best muzzle attachment is an air stripper. This reduces turbulence at the muzzle which increases pellet stability and accuracy, and a moderator to some extent does the same.

    I almost exclusively use hammer forged BSA barrels for re-barrelling PCPs, as in my view these offer the best quality and are superior to the likes of button rifled Walther or HW in linearity, choke quality, rifling, pellet fit, and ultimately accuracy.

    BSA barrels however are slightly undersized in diameter to fit most action blocks correctly including the Steyr, so the diameter has to be bulked up. As with all barrels, there is usually a discrepancy between the bore and the outer diameter of the barrel, which is basically a lack of concentricity known as run-out. This is probably also present on your existing barrel, which further adds accuracy errors quite apart from bore quality or barrel bends.

    Poor concentricity or run out happens because long hole boring is a technically difficult process, and barrels are seldom concentrically bored as a result. This is further exacerbated by the grinding process and can be a problem because it's the barrel periphery that acts as the alignment register in the action block. If this run-out is present and isn't corrected, this gives a misalignment between the bore, i.e. the ballistic curve, and your optical sightline, giving varying POI accuracy at different ranges. The answer to this is sleeving, which at a stroke bulks up the barrel diameter for correct action block fit and completely removes peripheral run out.

    So the first action is preparing the barrel for a sleeve, for which I turn the barrel breech end down to a smooth parallel section which is perfectly concentric with the bore, and then prepare a finely finished oil blued polished steel sleeve, which is a very tight fit, to go over this. This tight fitting sleeve is additionally held onto the barrel spigot with Locktite, so is a permanent fixture, and I also give this a location register, to allow easy barrel stripdown and refitting in the same position. The outcome of this is that it improves bore/sightline concentricity, probe alignment and action block fit. The barrel is also slimmer than normal at the forend of the frame so the annulus free-floating clearance is greater.

    There is a lot of work involved in sleeving, and it's pretty much essential that you have it.

    This however is not a cheap exercise and costs would be something like the following:

    New parallel ground, blued and choked BSA barrel blank up to 24 inches* in length XXXX. (Please confirm length and calibre required).

    Reduce to required length and crown with polished 11 ° target crown XXXX.

    Screw cut muzzle half inch UNF for moderator or air stripper attachment (if required), XXXX.

    Black delrin thread protector ring inclusive or custom made oil blued steel or aluminium thread protector ring XXXX extra.

    Prepare and fit oil blued and jewelled sleeve at breech end to improve bore/sightline concentricity, probe alignment and action block fit, XXXX.

    Provide alignment register**, crown at breech, prepare breech lead-in and profile detail XXXX.

    RFD transfer (required under the new VCR legislation in the UK) fee at my end for new barrel XXXX. Return International recorded delivery postage at cost, say XXXX.

    *If you're deliberating over barrel length, I would suggest you move from the 450 mm original length to perhaps 500 mm. PCPs always benefit from long barrels which will give you better pneumatic efficiency. This in turn will allow you to reduce the regulator output for the same fps at the muzzle which has benefits not just of air economy but better consistency due to the lower volumetric transfer. However if you choose not to do this please be aware that the increase barrel length will increase the power output of the gun. Target rifles like the Steyr are usually always run well under the legal limit for best accuracy, and here are some calculations with the new barrel length you might be interested in. ....

    With the original 450 mm length barrel Crosman Premiers average 754 fps equivalent to roughly 230 m per second. This equates to a pellet dwell time in the barrel of 1.96 milliseconds (ms).

    A new 500 mm length barrel at the same regulator output will give 793 fps, equivalent to roughly 242 m per second, equating to a pellet dwell time of 2.06 ms.

    The new longer barrel will therefore give 0.1 millisecond extra dwell time, and although this is an incredibly short space of time you should endeavour to allow your shot follow through to reflect this.
    At higher outputs, this time interval be even shorter.

    **I provide an alignment register because the Steyr breech has no porting as such and is symmetrical. All barrels even match grade ones have some degree of bend in them, and it's important to establish where this is, so optimal barrel alignment can be made to prevent crossover errors for POI at different ranges.

    Barrel bends are very easy to determine, and can even be quite accurately measured with the right equipment. Some barrels are more complex in that they have multiple bends, but I always arrange it so that the overall barrel bend has an upward orientation when located in the action. BSA barrels are the most linear of all the barrels I deal with. Walther are generally appalling with multiple bends, and I've had quite a few Steyr Anschutz/Walther barrels recently which have had marked bends as well as various anomalies with internal pellet fit.

    The stripper that I make is comprised of several components. The adapter which fits onto the barrel and has a half inch UNF male thread, a thread protector ring, the main airstripper body, and the cone insert which is usually made of stainless steel and brought to a high polish finish. The adapter on its own also functions as a means of attaching a sound moderator.

    I only make adapters and strippers in aluminium or mild steel now, not stainless, and the prices for this are as follows:

    UNF barrel adapter (if required) in aluminium XXXX, steel XXXX.
    Aluminium thread protector ring XXXX, steel XXXX.
    Stripper body in aluminium XXXX, steel XXXX.
    Polished Steel cones, with or without graduation XXXX.
    Handled Allen key and grub screw for cone fitment included.
    An alternative to the barrel adapter would be for me to thread your barrel muzzle directly with a half inch UNF male thread, and prices for this are XXXX for threading, and XXXX for crowning the muzzle with the polished 11 ° target crown. XXXX extra for a special custom thread protector ring. All plus return postage at cost.
    Let me know if you need any further detail.

    ATB,
    Drum."
     
  2. bigtree

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    Interesting that you had to find this on a foreign website when he resides in Scotland!
     
  3. Iberian68

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    I recently spoke to Drum about having this work done and it seems he has more or less given up barrel work which is a real shame as he clearly is very knowledgeable.....

    After my email conversation with him i decided to check my own barrel out (Steyr LG110 FT) and this is what i found

    I mounted it on a pair of roller v-blocks one positioned 6" from the muzzle and the other 1" from the breech end.. I figured this closely mirrored how its mounted in the rifle....

    I found the Barrel's O/D was running out by 0.002" in the middle using a dial test indicator ( thats total indicator reading so .001" of bend )
    then putting the indicator into the first 1/4" of the bore found it running out by .0065" to the O/D at the muzzle end and .0068" at the breech end... obviously because of the rifling your clocking over the high points of the actual bore.... also again this is total indicator reading so in real terms the bore is .0033" out of position to the O/D...
    On the plus side the maximum runout readings of both ends was inline...
    then using extended 2" probe i was able to check further into the bore from both ends and the runout values closely matched those at the ends within .0003"....

    so on the face of it and without being able to check much further into the bore it seems it is straight (impressively so given the length of the deep hole drilling) but runs out to the O/D...

    I guess i should get out more LOL but thought i'd share my findings for what its worth....

    Mike
     
  4. sportsmatch

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    never measured my barley twist barrel but it shoots 1/2" at 55 with sorted pellets so don,t think I,ll bother with the crap above ;)


    Gary
     
  5. Iberian68

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    I think you'd get vairiable reading of a barley twist for odviouse reasons ;-)
     
  6. HarryF

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    ive heard from people that there steyr barrel's were better than there barley twist barrel and visa versa, i think the steyr barrel will be better tbh. but thats me.
     
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    if it shoots ok there,s nowt to measure just shoot it :shot:


    Gary
     
  8. Knockedover

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    I've shot Steyrs with barley twist, Anschutz, BSA and Walther barrels.....with the right pellets you couldn't tell them apart by groupings. A good barrel is only as good as the pellets put through it, find the right combination and you're onto a winner...simple as that ;):p:D
     
  9. sportsmatch

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    What Vinny said :D

    Gary
     
  10. Iberian68

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    Hey i enjoy shooting and enginnering :) Nowt wrong with that !
     
  11. HarryF

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    think you're egsactly right ! just what you prefer i think, if you think a barley twist barrel will make you shoot better, it will !
    i dont think it would help me, so it probably wouldnt ! thats my theory.
    harry.
     
  12. nemesis

    nemesis 55yrd standing expert, or was it 8 or 9?

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    spoke to Harry preston at this years nefta classic.I asked him why was conners steyr barrel black.He told me it had a BSA barrel fitted to it.After reading this thread it may of been one of these barrels it has fitted to it ?
     
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