After 50 years of shooting these things I have one conclusion about how you shoot them accurately and consistently ... You can't. It's like entering a soup eating contest and agreeing to eat your soup whilst jumping up and down on a trampoline. Some fools think they can master them ... nope. Their design and function means they are not capable of sending a pellet down a barrel and releasing it with enough consistency to be useful ... only to torture the minds of people who refuse to see sense. Having said that ... and with respect to MrGeoff and the many others that say the same thing ... It's really not difficult to keep hitting 40mm kills time after time after time at 55 yards with a springer ... some days.[/QUOTE] Not every one spends enough time to become really consistent( or will be able to be become good enough) to take on a course resulting in a high score as was at Markyate in FT. I find it interesting and a bit puzzling when comparing the views expressed today compared to the actual results achieved in the 80's at Markyate and how we consistently managed clover leaf groups at 50/55 yds using superdomes etc at Markyate/ Burnham. Competition was fierce then and the likes of ,Terry. Doe, Dave Welham, Mark Commaccio,and other well known shooters competing, drove the rest of us to up our game.(no prisoners taken there)really cut throat. Springer shooters tend to be a bit unusual and work harder generally than those of the ..Dark Side, its probably why they get more out of comps especially turning over squirt guns with a huge grin while doing it.Very few pneumatic guns were available in the 80's and we had a larget pier pool to compete in compared to those shooting today.Possibly there is not so much pressure to win with the numbers at HFT/FT now? Try using long latex straws! HERX77 .