Springer blasphemy

Discussion in 'Piston & Spring' started by Cooper_dan, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. john0neuk

    john0neuk Well-Known Member

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    I love shooting and tinkering with both! As evidenced above nothing can replace skill! Re the dinosaur bit - PCP technology pre dates spring by around 350 years. So maybe the TX and its technology is the new boy on the block and the only dinosaur (substitute the words "experienced shot") was the shooter on this occasion!
     
  2. Alanok2002

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    Springers are great to shoot and make a massive smile on my face when i hit thst 55yarder or that 15mm reducer if i ever turn gay i could always buy a pcp
     
  3. Brian.Samson

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    Lots of talk of being happy to hit a 40mm kill at 55 yards - I'm happy if I hit anything at any distance.
     
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    This thread reminds me to try and find it.

    Have to start searching the bushes around when I threw it the last time I shot it...
     
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  5. Brian.Samson

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    Start with the bushes you weren't aiming at :)
     
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    Shooters spend a fortune trying to make a springer into a PCP by tuning out the recoil . then call it a recoiling gun . when all it does cos of the weight is twitch . then they say a whiscombe is not a spring gun , cos it does not recoil ( but does jet ) . does any of this make sense . if a rifle is driven by a spring to make it's power it is a springer . simple . if it does not recoil; . it is still a springer . just a better quality one ??? HOLLY

    PS I do hope Mr Belas T16 works . now that is possibly a PCP beater . the biggest problem with the whiscombe was the weight ( scoped ) , time and effort it took to cock it .
     
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    What if it uses a Gas Ram and not a spring? (ahem.. like the T16) :D
     
  8. Nick G

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    Had a quick look at the video of the sterling arms gun , it looks like it may be an updated version of the park to me , the pivot point at the front is the give away, i started wondering and thought how about belt drive instead of the chain drive , would be quieter and less problems with lube , if its good enough for camshafts ......
     
  9. Brian.Samson

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    Rumour is that it uses a cable
     
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    Same designer Nick
     
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    biwain Tree bark and paint chipper Champion

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    The day my springer stops jumping is the day I get a Steyr. I Iike my shoulder bruiser!
     
  12. Adam

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    It's not about getting it to shoot like a PCP; that is a physical impossibility if your piston has >0 mass. What it's about is making sure the movement is small, straight back and forth in line with the bore with no twisting, and minimising vibration and other unpleasant metallic noises.
     
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    True but what powers it can be changed to a spring ??? HOLLY
     
  14. Brian.Samson

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    So it's a springer if it's powered by a spring or if the power plant could be swapped to a spring with some re-engineering?

    I'm glad you don't write the rules :D

    Whizzers / SR's / Diana D54's / even Gas Ram powered T16's are all included in the "Piston" category the BFTA and WFTF have so there's no need to make up a convoluted definition of a Springer or Recoiling Rifle.

    Whizzers / SR's and D54's compete in the World Champs every year - I can't remember seeing a Gas Ram competing ever though.
     
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    In the comps I shoot in, the same few people are usually at the top of the recoiling class and they seem to have very mildly tuned guns and in some cases standard stocks. I don't think you can 'pay to win' in the recoiling class.
     
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    In hft Dan, they have to recoil, no sled guns or whiscombes or parks etc. They'e in the open class with the big boys pcps. I've tried a few set ups but got the best conistency, reliability & least hold sensitivity with "conventionaly" tuned and unfashionable 26mm piston, none rotating, hw97s. I keep dabbling but always go back.
     
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    I like a springer with little or no twang, but I've never seen one that really got any more accurate with a smooth tune. If the piston seal is good, and the breech seals are sealing, any of my TX's will give very good accuracy. They just feel better to shoot when they don't twang. Tuning is also very fun even if it's not totally needed.
     
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    The expression at Nomads is that (in recoil HFT) 'you can't buy talent', Dan.

    You are far from alone in reaching that conclusion, Mick.
     
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    +1

    As much as we've explored, and despite it having barely any possiblity of following a pellet, my V-mach 25mm 97k was I think the most accurate springer I've had. The only issue is it would shift. But from what I know now it would probably be worth a revisit.

    21mm in for the PJC... just got to zero... found a sweet batch last night but not enough of them to zero and shoot a comp...21 mm may only last a few 100 shots, but that's all it needs to for this weekend. Stock doesn't fit either... nothing like leaving it till the last minute huh
     
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    I need to come shoot Nomad's more often. From what I've seen there's a really high standard of recoiling class shooting at your place. Really looking forward to the Nomad's springer day. Got it in my diary
    I've got nothing against tuning guns, (I've short stroked my TX Mk3 to be the same as a Mk2). What gets me is when someone gets a tune, shoots it for a week and decides they need a better tune. The best value for money is range time and pellets
     
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