Should Women compete in HFT?

Discussion in 'Hunter (HFT) & Field Target (FT)' started by Where's Molly, Dec 25, 2015.

  1. Where's Molly

    Where's Molly Active Member

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    With the likes of Theresa Reed, Stephanie Kirkwood, Jill Cochrane, Jennie Stone etc all competing in the open class and making most of the open (male) class look silly, is it not about time that the Berlin Wall was knocked down and ladies were not segregated from the rest of the pack and compared directly against their male counterparts? After all I can see no advantage that a male shooter would have against a female as you would perhaps see in physical sports.
    I know the girls are routing for this but what's your thoughts as a bloke? Should they stay behind the sink where they belong or should we embrace the challenge? I'm all for them staying at home ironing but that's probably because Jennie is slaughtering me in the Southern Hunters Series.
    Your thoughts?
    Dop.
     
  2. Chris Coombes

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    Hi Richard
    I think that we can all stand ,sit ,knee,or lay prone for our shooting sports,like you say mate the lady hold there own.
    I've got the wife a new white coloured rifle,so that it matches in with the kitchen,and she can practice at the target that I place at the bottom of the garden,buy opening the kitchen window.
    :D:eek:
    All jokes aside I have shot with 3 of the 4 lady's you have mentioned,and they are great shooters, so open class is the way to go if wanted.



    Merry Christmas


    Chris
     
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  3. Charlts

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    Shooting sports are a great leveller, there's no advantage to either sex.
     
  4. Tone

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    If the girls decide not to shoot in the ladies class and would prefer to shoot in the open then thats the answer right there.....the ladies class will not be needed?
     
  5. madplinker

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    I still think their should be a ladies class as you have mentioned some of the ladies are very good shooters but some would struggle if it was just a pure open class and no ladies class and the same with juniors aswell Rudy kicked everyones backside and some exceptional juniors too. but to grow the the sport you need these classes and keep the interest going.

    The top ladies or juniors can opt out of thier class and put themselves into the open class and see how they get on so best of both worlds for them :):):):):)
     
  6. Dave Ramshead

    Dave Ramshead England HFT Team squatter

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    Its not for guys to decide if its best for ladies to have their own class. I don' t see the topic being raised by any Lady shooters, best keep out of it IMHO.
     
  7. vinny

    vinny WHFTA 2015 World Champion

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    Will you be asking for a blokes only class to save the humiliation then Rich :D
     
  8. matt goodson

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    My wife, Liz Osman says...

    Classes are useful for building confidence, and there is always the opportunity to go into Open if you want to - same as a springer or 22 shooter. The only comp where that doesn't happen is the Worlds, but, if a lady takes the top score she'd be World Champ anyway. There isn't any harm in the category as long as ladies have a choice.
     
  9. verminator

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    In many sports it is quite common to have a ladies class, purely to encourage more of them into the sport. It is a good thing IMO.

    With the UKAHFT rules, all classes are automatically included in the open, so if their scores are good enough it counts there too. I think some of the more experienced ladies choose to enter the open class directly to encourage newcomers by not taking all the trophies, which they already have plenty of.
     
  10. Kathy T

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    As liz has said, I think it is a good thing to have a ladies class to encourage women into hft, which is predominantly a male sport. It is a good thing that a woman can then choose to compete in either class. I agree with what Richard says, that there is no advantage for either sex, but by having a separate ladies class then this can be a good confidence builder.
     
  11. Tench

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    What!! :eek: Ladies shoot in HFT?! I didn't know you could get white ceramic coated rifles!! :D
     
  12. skires

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    There were just 21 shooters in total that shot the minimum 6 shoots to qualify for the Nationals in 2015 in all categories apart from 'Open'. That's covering 2x junior classes, Ladies, Recoiling and 0.22. Ladies actually had the majority of those with 12 shooters.

    If any shooter can choose to shoot in 'Open' anyway then what's the problem?

    It seems to me to be a sport where flexibility and good eyesight are a major advantage, rather than physical strength. So ladies or shooters in their mid teens probably have no real disadvantage over other shooters. They probably have an advantage over shooters of a certain age, who's eyes are weakening and bodies stiffening up.

    It's well known that women do well in standing air rifle. They actually have ( normally ) a longer leg to upper body ratio. This, plus their hip shape actually gives them an advantage when using the classic standing stance. The longer leg/body ratio also helps with kneelers.
     
  13. Sharpe

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    They should stay in the kitchen, only allowed out to shovel horse muck! :D
     
  14. Where's Molly

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    Ha ha! Aimed at me that one Geoff!

    For what it's worth my view is that it is actually unfair that ladies coming into sport have a stepping stone wheres men coming into sport don't have this. I agree it's quite daunting as a beginner having to compete direct with top shots and certainly I have witnessed male shooters give up within the year because they feel they will never be as good as a top shot and have nothing to aim for pardon the pun!....what I do think would be nice is to see a newcomer class so that our newbies can compete at a more even footing and still have a chance to aim for being a trophy/series winner. I believe this could give them the oomph to keep on going and trying to improve. This worked well when I very started shooting in my FT days my scores were low in the beginning but so was everyone's in my grade. There was some excellent competition in my grade and it pushed us all to improve to try and win the GP C grade national title thus resulting in most of us moving up through the grades to A and AA grade. I know the grading system would be a nightmare in HFT..The Petes have enough to do but I think a class to encourage newcomers of both sexes is fairer than just a class for ladies.....I found although nice to have won a few ladies titles it seemed an empty victory as I felt that if I wasn't in the ladies class my shooting wouldn't have won me a trophy. Now I'm in the open I feel I have earned/deserved any places I win...and god do I fight harder for them now.....I've had to try and step my game up.....Its so much more rewarding now!:)....This is only my feelings as I can't speak for the other ladies experiences
    Jen x
     
  15. Chris Coombes

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    Thanks for that shorty.


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  16. Ash Bailey

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    I very much admire the lady shooters.

    It's a fact that ladies have small feet so they can stand closer to the sink or cooker.

    This means they are theoretically less stable doesn't it?
     
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  17. Where's Molly

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    Thats true but they make up for it with a more natural kneeling stance! :D
     
  18. matt goodson

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    I agree with Jenny, and introductory class for new shooters would fairer than a ladies class but the thing is, is the hft class system really all that broken?
    Has the ladies class gone some way to encouraging the female partners of male shooters to 'give it a go?'. I think it has.
     
  19. rich

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    Mine's a simple view. Anything that discriminates against women in a sport that is not gender specific is a bad thing. Now, if women want a separate class, that's up to them. Personally I would do what I could to make things such that they didn't see the need for one.

    In SWEFTA we run two grades of HFT shooters. We started by putting the top 12 - based on previous years average - in grade A and the rest in grade B. As the numbers taking part grew, we moved the dividing line and made it elastic so that half of last years shooters went into A and half into B. Newbies go into B. If they finish in the top half of the overall table, they go up to A.
     
  20. blackscale

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    I think the Ladies should choose their position.......:D:D
     

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