Posting rifles (UK)

Discussion in 'General Airgun Chat' started by RobF, May 29, 2015.

  1. RobF

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    David from BASC has just posted to say parcel force are now doing enhanced insurance at £4 per £500 for airguns and all branches have been informed for a month.
     
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    Pity no one told any of the depots I spoke too. But then again, you can't postt them directly at a depot only a PO counter, and they have always sold insurance regardless of the rules.
     
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    Hang on a sec. Is the insurance with Royal Mail or with Parcel Force? Because Royal Mail only do up to 2KG parcels (no good for rifles) and Parcel Force are a different shower of ***t altogether. And Post Office a third one, which sells the services of the other two.
     
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    PF are Royal Mail. Post Office counters just sell their services.

    International posting rules are complex, and very restrictive in many countries not just the UK. Try sending 2nd hand auto parts to the Nirth America....
     
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    Not quite the whole picture as it turns out.
     
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    No, ParcelForce are NOT Royal Mail! They are separate entities with different rules.
     
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    Sorry for the confusion, my fault! I am awaiting confirmation from my contact in PF but I believe the extra cover may only be available if sending via an refd who has an account with PF
     
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    So the GTA are once again monopolising an opportunity to charge even more money off its customers! I wonder who thought this one out?
     
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    That's right, I just had a massive argument with them detaining my HW77 for a month (without posting the approriate notice on the tracking site) and returning it damged without compensation or refund of the extortionate 65quid postage, after I chased them! They do not carry air rifles internationally at all. In fact they are as close to a bunch of crooks as you can get without breaking the law.

    BASC is not quite on the ball with the UK and international posting situation yet.
    BTW, How is the campaign to reinstate .22 target pistols going?
     
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    Seperate entities, with SOME different rules, but still RM Group. So yes Royal Mail, it even said so on my Payslip.
     
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    Why would they refund you for attempting to post a prohibited item?

    The tracking situation is inexcusable, and is one area the RM really do fall down on time and time again. Really wish DPD would accept air guns, now that is a quality service...
     
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    Because I was also under the mistaken belief that Royal MAil rules applied to ParcelArse and air rifles were not prohibited. The head drone from customer service shimself told me ParcelArse are zilch to do with Royal Mail.

    Yes, I too would like to know why ALL other carriers refuse to carry air rifles at all.
     
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    So you get it wrong and RM GROUP should give you your money back. What kind of logic is that?
     
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    Surprised you got it back at all and I am not surprised to see them wilfully damage on purpose 'weaponry' related items even though legal and not in their 'prohibited' list. Customs are the culprits.
    RM and ParcelForce don't carry outside UK, you need a specialist service circa £160 one way for sub 12ft/lb, whether that's special price to me? as know others charged in excess of £240 sub 12ft/lb.

    One rule for some DPD, UPS and many other global couriers offer a great service delivering legal air rifles from abroad but dont handle within UK to UK.
     
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    A air rifle costs €13 posted from Germany via courier to mainland UK!
    UK to Germany via courier approx £200.

    CRAZY!
     
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    We were mis-sold their service by their sub-contractor. ParcelForce subcontracts the Post Office to deal with customers face to face. That is why you go into a Post Office, to be supplied with the correct service for your needs. The parcel was clearly marked "low powered spring airgun" and the assistant was told so. She said Euro48.
     
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    So your gripe is with PO counters! And what have you done about it? So far you have blamed everyone else....
     
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    We were mis-sold their service by their sub-contractor. Our contract is with Parcel Force, not the subcontractor they choose to use. As it is ParcelForce refuse to talk to me, the owner of the goods, they will only talk to my friend in GB, so I can do zilch.

    ParcelArse also lied about the return address being missing, it was right there on the returned parcel.

    In the case of the Royal Mail Country prohibited lists you are dealing with two Layers of utter Idiots:
    1) The Customs Idiots who write the lists and post them in an unclear manner and
    2) the Royal Mail low IQ staff who try to interpret it and put it on their website.
    hence for their banned list for Portugal

    http://www.royalmail.com/portugal click "prohibited"

    you wrongly get:

    Footwear,
    Printed Books, Newspapers, Posters, Plans
    Plastics and items made Thereof
    Photographic or cinematographic products
    Ceramics
    Clocks and Watches
    Musical instruments
    Miscellaneous manufactured articles

    etc. etc. as strictly PROHIBITED!

    You might have thought someone at Royal Mail would by now have spotted their website lists are nonsense...

    Here is the actual customs list on PDF, Portugal starts page 1020: http://www.upu.int/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/listCustomsProhibitedArticlesEn.pdf
    For arms you have: Articles admitted conditionally, All arms requiring the authorization of the public safety police (Sub 24J air rifles and Pistols don't, so legal to import into Portugal)

    Basically they are all a complete shower of incompetent 5hit like most things in GB and I am glad I emigrated. Shouldn't have tried to buy something from there.
    Do you work for them?
     
  20. AlsoFishes

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    Thanks for the advice Jon. As far as I can interpret Royal Mail burblings, the DO send internationally to 2KG, fine for A/G parts and pistols but not rifles.
    I am thinking of getting someone to dismantle it into sub-2KG bits and sending it legally Royal Mail in two parcels but marked as sports equipment.

    An HW77 weighs 4.2 KG but this one has a converted HW80 stock which I don't strictly need.
    I have some Walnut here that I could use to carve a stock from.


    I didn't loose completely on the deal as I got the scope sent separately. That was supposed to be a laser-inoperative Nikko Stirling Laserking but I managed to repair the laser (diode wired back-to-front),


    SUGGESTION TO BASC
    How about arranging a "tailored solution" as they call it, with a carrier for BASC members?
     
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