Mick Dawes Special No 18.

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  1. Mr H.

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    Just found another photo article with Alan Jones and his Mick Dawes Special from September 1989.

    Not sure of the Number of that one.
     

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  2. Dijon

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    That would just add to my mount problem - I seem to recollect that H&R tubes were 26mm
     
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    Andy has one of these, he shoots HFT courses Kneeling/Standing with it.
     
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    That’s ok I can get them opened up to 26mm easily.
     
  5. Mr H.

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    Is there any chance of asking Andy to confirm what number his is?

    The number is usually stamped on the trigger block, front of the muzzle break collar, or if a 2 piece tube then both edges of the joints.

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    Mark.
     
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    He's got Number 16.
     
  7. Mr H.

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    Update on the Rusty Un-numbered MDS.

    With Pete Snatchfold's No 13 turning up and being a 2 piece tube with the thicker A frame and brass muzzle break then it can only be No's 14-15-16-17
    as No 18 is a one piece tube with muzzle break.

    Then Andy or Chris Whitmore has 16 or maybe they both do - interesting. Or, one has been lightly stamped and is really No 15.

    Really narrowing it down now.

    Over the next month or so the restoration of No ? will start.

    Jokingly someone said it ought to be called the "Phoenix" I think that might just be quite apt.

    Mark.
     
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    > I have #19 :)
     
  9. Mr H.

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    Hi Chris - been a while,

    Do you need somewhere safe to "permanently" keep your MDS - it will be in good company lol.

    You have probably read that I bought Dave's old MDS - which was originally Jim Dean's.

    Shaun Hill has totally transformed the gun - total restoration to original spec.

    Mark H.
     
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    It is looking 50/50 as to the ID of the rusty incomplete MDS it may be Roger Dunn's old gun or a gun which Mick had been making and had problems with and was always a "back of the shed - when I have time" gun. Robbed for various parts over time.

    Does anyone know if Roger Dunn ex-Stourvale Woodsmen Chairman is still about?

    Mark.
     
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    Yes he is still about but not shooting
     
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    Cheers Daz,

    I have been told there is an original photo of Rogers MDS when it was new, I will be checking it over the next couple of days.

    Mark
     
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    I have a pic of him with it at a gp, i will see if i can find it
     
  14. Mr H.

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    I seem to remember a similar pic.

    He is standing facing the camera with the rifle across his chest with the barrel up by his left shoulder.

    Floppy hat on and a waxed padded type waistcoat.

    Cheers,

    Mark.
     
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    Loved these Mick Dawes rifles back in the day.
     
  16. Mr H.

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    Well it's been a while but I am now 90% sure that the rusty nail is in-fact No 14.

    While I was at Anston for the Grand Prix I took some photo's of No 16 which Andy Calpin kindly brought along for me to see.
    I did some comparison photo's of No 16 and No 18 together etc.
    Been in touch with Roger Dunn on Facebook - his MDS was No 15.
    I will get round to posting the various photo's I have acquired of No 16, 18 in original stock and No 19 which is Chris Whitmore's.

    I have been frustrated though that the scope mounts were not quite square to the breech block and there was some cross over with No18.

    So I have asked Jon Harris of Harris Engineering to come up with a solution.
    Well he seems to have got the hang of this machining lark. So Jon is specially machining a riser block for No18.
    You can follow his remedy on Facebook page :- "Black country custom air rifles" where we are highlighting Mick's guns etc.

    As a taster I am copying and pasting some of the info,

    Jon - MDS 18
    Reported zero shift problems but deadly accurate in between.
    Delving deep in to the problem breach blocks 15.89mm wide and very thin in three places - Under barrel, fixing screws and inner dovetail close to the barrel bore.
    As long as the fixing screws hold it solid this will work.

    ...
    Problem is i have been faced with the task.
    Thats just tip of the iceberg above:-
    Dovetail at front is thinner by 0.14mm than at the rear.
    Dovetail runs out 0.21mm over the length.
    Dovetail off set fractionally 0.03mm.

    How to get it back on line if i have my measurements correct.

    1 Slotting out on centre with three working edges.
    2 Top working edge.
    3 Dovetail starting to go in - fronts thinner than rear.
    4 Dovetail tapered front to rear 0.14mm, needs tapping on wont need fixing screws.
    5 Awkward to explain start at front dovetail offset 0.03mm and is thinner by 0.14mm. Rear wider 0.14mm than the front and runs out 0.21mm towards rear left.
    6 Clocked up to get the runout to go 0.21mm over the length starting at 0.03mm at front offset.
    7 Thinning down
    8 Runout created when its flipped over to cut top dovetail in for Sportsmatch.

    Next up side fixings.

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    I have the strangest feeling I may have just picked the right person for the job.

    Mark H.
     
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    If Jon can’t sort it then it can’t be sorted.
     
  18. Mr H.

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    I must admit when I took No18 to Millride on Saturday Jon looked at it and did say it shouldn't really be a problem.

    I had previously shadow-graphed the rail and had some internal and external dovetail cutters ground to suit to make life easier, hopefully.

    Will find out Friday up at Millride for the usual Pre - European Championships shoot they put on every year. That's when I should get it back.
     
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    I overcame a similar problem by using fully adjustable scope mounts, but I don't think they would look right on No.18.
     
  20. Mr H.

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    Hi Neil,

    I did try some adjustable mounts but they did look strange on there. The mounts, because of the dimensions of the rails not being uniform didn't sit square. Then the rings were not in line so limited contact with scope but then the thickness of the breech was an issue with the position of the scope - an M18 and the clamping force required and that itself caused problems.

    2 full weeks of trying to sort it with lapping the rings, mounting the rings on 30 mm silver steel then trimming the mounts up to the rails etc and going down Harriers for a few hours every day to test only to find another issue. So I think this might be the best way as I really want to shoot the gun at Club and Competition shoots and it deserves to be shot.

    Mark.
     
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