Mick Dawes Special No 18.

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  1. Mr H.

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    Well I have now taken delivery of No 18 of 19 MDS which has always been a Midlands gun.

    Originally had No 9 but sold it to fund my extended action ISP Airstream L back in 1992.

    So No 18 was originally made for Jim Dean and was then bought by Dave Neate who used to go to various shoots around the country with his son Michael.

    It has a Des Edwards stock and it's right handed - which is a problem as I shoot left handed but I do still have the stock I made for mine, No9, back in 1988 - why I have kept the stock for so long - I have no idea.
    Sitting on top is a mint 6.5-20 Leupold and it lives in Adam Bradley's, (GC2), old plastic gun case which he bought back from the States in the early 1990's which has a moulded in hunting scene on top and bottom faces.

    If Shaun at ISP can get it serviced for me I will be at Maldon on June 3rd

    Mark
     
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    It would be nice to see some pictures of this rifle.
     
  3. Mr H.

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    pictures on the way.
     
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    The 2 pictures above are of the stock I made for No 9. -

    30years ago.

    I am going to have to put it back together.
     
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    Flight case Adam Bradley bought back from the States in early 90's.

    And yes the USA sticker is up-side down. Why? Who knows.
     
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    The Gun -
    Being a later gun than mine was there is now a muzzle brake and the barrel is no longer in the, (on occasions annoying, as it sometimes moved), A frame.

    When I sold mine I actually gave Dave a complete set of seals for the MDS from Oswald seals in Halesowen. I used to collect them for Mick on the way through to his house. Guess what they are still in the box - just 1 has been used since 1996.

    Would I sell this one? Not a chance in Hell - it now sits in a £6,000 - 1 ton - not tonne - gun safe.

    The scope I "was" going to send back to Leupold to have some Custom Shop mods done to it, but, according to Josh at Leupold the scope is a bit old and being 25mm tube they can change the reticle but that's about it. Really! and that's their "Custom Shop"

    Is it going to be sitting in the safe as a collectors item - No way - Mick made these to be shot not as wall hangers.

    So my Collection is complete The only Mk1 extended action ISP Airstream and now an Original Mick Dawes Special.

    Well not quite complete - I hear there may be a "Woden" - Micks PCP air-pistol about that could be for sale.

    Mark.
     
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  7. Mr H.

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    Ok, getting spooky here - just found a photo of me back in 1988 with No 9.
    Stock was modified shortly after as being a 2 piece tube it was prone to zero shift due to heat and cylinder pressure we assumed.
    So it was suggested that the front section be removed from the stock and be free floating.
    The scope was one of the 1st batch from Tasco the 6-24x40 TS.
    You can make out the A frame on the front

    MDS No 9 .jpg
     
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    Ok, so I spent about 2 1/2 hours last night with Shaun from ISP looking over the gun.

    It is not a 2 piece tube as most were, it's a single piece tube. Now Shaun thinks there were 3 of these made.
    It is stamped up 18 on front end and on cylinder by the trigger block.
    Trigger unit exactly the same as my old one.
    But this action is heavier than I remember - one possibility is that Mick had a thicker side wall tube which it looks as though it was centre-less ground on the outside to give the raised area at the front to attach the "Stillair" muzzle-break in the photo above. Or it was swaged somehow.

    So the gun is going to be stripped, safety checked and re-tested, so it should be alright.

    It's a good job Shaun still has all the knowledge, tools etc to be able to do this and working along side Mick for a number of years, bouncing ideas off each other - well it only seems right that with Mick no longer about that Shaun gets stuck with the job lol.

    Would Mick approve - 100% yes.

    Mark.
     
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    Best thread on STB at present.

    I think Nick Jenkinson still has an MDS, I remember seeing at his place years ago, I wonder where all the rest are.
     
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    Nick's rifle is one of the very few Brocock MDS's that were made.
     
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    I had one of the Brocock MDS's many years ago when I shot FT. Was one of the best rifles I have ever had. Mick did all the service work on it for me and the rifle never let me down.
     
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    Keith surbutts and Martin Farrant both had MDS back in the late 80s early 90s both shot at Yorkshire marksman club
     
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    I was offered Richard North's old MDS along with an MDS pistol back in 2006. I declined the offer.
    Doh!
     
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    Lovely couple Mick and pat. Brings back great memories from the 80s and early 90s.
     
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    Hasn't Andy Calpin got number 16 - but if I remember correctly Chrissy Whitmore also has No 16.

    I have been told by a good friend that there may be a stripped down, and never put back together a very early, (bare), MDS requiring re-polishing and re-blueing etc.

    I'll keep you informed.

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    This is really getting weird now.

    The rusty MDS I have been to see it and bought it.

    No number. Stripped. Rusty as an old nail. The hammer is 1 mm too big in diameter to go into the main tube.

    Reg missing, hammer spring, as are a couple of screws and the end cap - hammer end.

    Muzzle brake has Mick's design "Stillair" with 5 squared off slots as opposed to 3 on number 18.

    Oh and it is a 2 piece tube. Loads of gunk but no rust in the barrel which looks like a BSA.

    So by a bit of detection No9 was a 2 piece tube with the A frame on the end.

    No 18 is a 1 piece tube with muzzle break.

    This one is a 2 piece tube with muzzle break.

    So it stands to reason that this one is somewhere between No 9 and No 18.

    Anyone any ideas?

    Regards,

    Mark.
     
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    Photo's of the 2 guns together:-

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    met Mick a number of times on the circuit . nice bloke , always free with good advice . did not suffer fools though . you soon knew if you upset him . ??? HOLLY
     
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  20. Mr H.

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    Ok - From a reliable source, there were 21 original MDS's

    Below are the MDS 1st owners.
    Mick's own gun No1 was I believe sold to a Dutch Airgun Collector.
    No 19 was Jim Vickers and the breach was engraved with the build number.
    No 18 was Jim Dean who had Mick do a roughed out stock he finished himself.
    Tony Davenport apparently still has his and occasionally shoots at Rough Wedge.
    Roger Dunn, Stourvale Chairman had one.
    Richard North No6.
    Phil Soper - Black Country Marksmen had the other Cherry stock, that was sold to Janine Hastilow at Stourvale who sold it on to one of the Yorkshire lads.
    Andy Taylor I think sold his on.
    Pete Snatchfold had another - but when he passed away a few years ago I heard his ex-wife sold his along with his GC2 for £200 each and they were both topped off with expensive Hertel and Reuss scopes.
    I had No 9 Left handed Cherry stock.
    Not sure if Dave Harrison had one???

    Mark.
     

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