kneeling roll

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  1. merlot

    merlot Member

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    hi can anybody give me the specs for the kneeling rolls bfta or wfta.want to no the diameter
     
  2. Air Armed

    Air Armed MFTA Secretary

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    The ankle roll is presently under development but it is likely to be a cone that tapers from 10cm to 15cm over a length of about 60cm made from a material that will allow some compression. This is in-line with the WFTF proposal. The development in England is being led by Andy Calpin and in Spain by Jesus Sangroniz.

    If you're doing your own personal one, there's obviously no need to make one 60cm long!
     
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  3. fireblade

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    Which means, by the time the decision is made, it'll be too late to get used to a knee/ankle roll for the bulk of those who will need to use them. Call me a cynic, but i call it 53 years of learning the hard way.
    Make or buy A roll NOW and get used to useing one, then, if, and when, a decision is made, you will be 90% there.
    Just my opinion of course.;)
     
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  5. Air Armed

    Air Armed MFTA Secretary

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    I've ordered this from fleabay

    Item number: 361231399213

    At under a tenner, it's worth a go I think!
     
  6. Tench

    Tench WHFTA World Champion 2016.

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    I have just ordered one of these for HFT 391011060812 easier to clip on your rifle bag to carry than an FT style cushion.

    I asked to have a zip fitted so I could get the fill right for the job,
     
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  7. dozbadthebad

    dozbadthebad NEFTA Clasic 2018

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    Ok

    For £20 to £30 at lest its not that expensive
    Just more crap to carry around
    But in all think its a good idea will stop all the winging about having any advantage now can we all just go shooting :lev
     
  8. Air Armed

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    Good point very well made Sir Doz!:shot:
     
  9. AIRFIX GILLY

    AIRFIX GILLY WFTA World Champion 2012

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    Knee pads

    My question is this..... Shooters will be using the roll under the ankle.. Ok.:D
    But, what will be allowed on or under their knee that's on the floor??
    A Matt ? Or a padded knee pad permanently secured for all around the course?
    Both? Wow! That's a bean bag ! Or a knee pad taken on and off just on kneeling lanes?

    BFTA and WFTA have no ruling on this at present.. So how can you practice kneeling with the roll? An unfair advantage will be gained by shooters using the roll plus padding under knee at present..

    Just a thought.;)

    Now where's my bean bag? Off to practice my kneeling.

    Gilly, :)
     
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    It's early days and things are being tried to report back, it feels like a move we should probably make if only to stop all the kneeling threads on here and come inline with The WFTF.

    Will a knee pad give an advantage? Perhaps it would offer a little bit more comfort but if that's an advantage then people wearing them and putting the bag under their shin have had that advantage along - never seen a thread on it!
     
  11. saddler

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    BFTA do have a ruling, Main Shoot Rules, Rule 10 c, d & e:
    c. Any type of clothing, glove, or footwear is allowed provided it is not a hazard to the shooter or others. Clothing may be padded to reduce the pressure of the rifle stock resting on the arm or knee. The padding may be e.g. felt, or layers of cloth.
    d. The surface of the pad on which the stock rests must be flat and not shaped to provide lateral support to the stock.
    e. Separate pads may be worn over non-padded clothing provided that they conform to the above specifications.

    So, as of today, you could use a knee pad similar to the ones people use to support the rifle.

    However, the current rules do not consider the potential change to the kneeling rule to remove the bag and move to the mat.
    So, we will have to consider the implications of the change to the kneeling rule and consider if this means we will have to introduce restrictions to clothing.
     
  12. AIRFIX GILLY

    AIRFIX GILLY WFTA World Champion 2012

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    So according to yourself then on Sunday at a MFTA shoot a competitor can use a kneeling roll under their ankle, a Matt on floor to kneel on and a padded knee pad on the knee too (secured for all course) ?
    Just need to be sure when I do the briefing that I'm correct?
     
  13. Conor

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    Gilly, it's FT..,they'll do what they want regardless.
     
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    Yes, that's what the current rules allow.
     
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    Haven't you got some Sales bans to overturn somewhere?
     
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    Dont they come in for the 2016 season?
     
  17. AIRFIX GILLY

    AIRFIX GILLY WFTA World Champion 2012

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    Old settee

    I've got an old settee I want to get rid of, I'll bring it Sunday and put it on a kneeling lane....make the folk comfy ..:rolleyes:
    We can marshal it so if they nod off we can give em a knock.:eek:o
     
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    saddler Phil Gee

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    I was referring to the rules regarding padded clothing and knee pads. They are in the current rules.
     
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    That's hardly going to be that much advantage surely...?

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  20. saddler

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    There is nothing in the current rules to stop people wearing a knee pad and using a bag under the knee, so where is the advantage of a knee pad and a mat?
     

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