Hft zero distance and scope height

Discussion in 'Hunter (HFT) & Field Target (FT)' started by Malcolm lockhart, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Malcolm lockhart

    Malcolm lockhart Member

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    I know this has been done to death,but there is always new starters coming into the sport..
    What are the pro/cons or advantages, is there a mathematical ( for a better fraise) set up that would have more advantage over another.
    Or is it personal preference only.
     
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    Slip Stream Experienced novice

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    Hi Malcolm,
    You are correct in one respect, and that there are to many variables for a mathematical model to have a viable and definitive answer for sub 12 foot pound setup.
    It all comes down to personal experience, what scope used, pellet weight, stock fit, eye sight etc.
    After over 50 years experience using everything from air rifle to 50 calibre high velocity long range rifles, I can honestly say that what works and is comfortable for you is the best.
    MY advice is get to a club and try as many different set ups as you can, most members will give you a fantastic reason to justify their particular setup ( and most will be different )
    think what your most relaxed and confident with ! Practice and fine tune till your happy.
    Enter a couple of competitions, then start all over again :eek:
    We all do it:mad:
    Best of luck Keith.
     
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  3. MickyFinn

    MickyFinn I❤HFT

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    Trial and error is the only thing that REALLY works! Play around on chairgun with scope heights, mag & zeros all you like, you might just find "something" in there?
    As a general rule though work out what most of your "ranging" misses are (close/middle distance/long ones) then play about with scope height and zero (+ not forgetting parrallex setting) to minimise the possibility of getting an error.
    What works for me (43yrd zero, medium mounts & 27yrd px) is "alien" to most shooters!
     
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    Cooper_dan Well-Known Member

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    Listen to other peoples advice and opinions and ask them why their setup is best (in their opinion).

    Use any setup to start with, but get into the habit of writing down why you think you missed. (Easier with a pcp than a springer). I write my misses on the back of my scorecard and take a picture on my phone before handing it in.

    Then using what you've learnt from other people, change your setup to address your most common misses.

    For example, my most common miss was always mini kills. So my zero and parallax are setup to make mini kills as easy as possible. This makes ranged shots harder, but thats the compromise.
     
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  5. Mr. C

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    I haven't been at this long and my rangefinding is still shockingly bad but I was really struggling with head position parallax error and seeing either end of the range scale. So changed to a 32mm connect and set it to 7x zeroed at 25yds. If it gets a bit fuzzy really close I pick it using the edge .
     
  6. chrisc

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    It's mostly been already covered...if you miss closer small kills then bring your zero down to 25/30yards and do the same for your px setting, if you miss the longer targets then zero at 40 and up your px. It totally depends on your shooting style, your eyesight, the scope you're using and it's height.

    I use a Sightron S111 set with a 37 yd zero, a 25 yd px and medium high mounts. It means i can 'hedge my bets' with shots and be up to 5 yards out with ranging and still get into the kill. i also don't need a great deal of hold under for the closer, smaller kills. I decided on a 37yd zero when UKAHFT moved the 25mm kills out to 40 yards as it became my most missed shot. Now i can stay in the kill and it's only a pellet mark difference between 35 and 40 yards. I set my scope to blue slightly at 15yds and the same at 40 and this is my main rangefinding method. Even with a slight blur at 40 yards a can still make out the kill and can tell the difference between a target at 40yds and a target at 45 yds.......i still have enough clarity to see a target kill out to 55yds.
     
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  7. Malcolm lockhart

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    I suppose there's a hell of a lot of permutations.
    Been shooting a evx on 10 mag, 30y zero and parallex, 8,9,10 yrders were a nightmare.

    Dropped the mag today to 8, parallex to 25y, and it was perfect zero for 25 yds without altering anything, didn't realise mag altered zero to that degree.
    On 55mm mounts, what a difference for the better, both in ranging, seeing and holdover of close targets.
    Was hoping with all the permutations someone had already worked out the optimal height, mag and zero, save me a lot of testing.
    Thought there would have been a optimum position but apparently not.
     
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    There is no optimum Malcolm, but if there was nobody would tell you, It's all about managing the compromises this sport throws up at you!:p
     
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    I’ve only been shooting HFT for 3 seasons - when I started the advice was low mounts 35yds zero and parallax at 23yds - it seems now people are zeroing further out and going for higher mounts - I guess it’s as kill zones get smaller further out ( as Chris said ) ....
     
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    I ma on the 35 yd zero, low mounts and a px on real terms of about 30 -35yds. I get slight blur as far as 20yds, a bit of blur 15 up and a blurry 13 yd to contend with. 10 to 8 pretty damn blurry. + side, no blur on long ones, no blur makes picking the mark a bit easier for me. Lot of course setters favouring going long. Suits me.

    Tried higher mounts and the 40yd zero. Could hit long ones ok, but 30 yards and under, struggled a good bit. Also downside,higher up the scope, cant effect becomes more noticable.

    Saying that some top shots are doing the biz with the high mounts and long zero.
     
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    I think the fact that the majority of courses got longer then the push away from low to higher mounts and longer zero's become more prevalent.
     
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    Breaking news - 50% wiped off the value of low scope mounts limited!!
     
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    Until course setters go the other way.

    I’m low 35yds and 23 par. Call me old school.

    As mentioned though I was missing the closer ones so this works for me. The long ones apart from wind do not seem to be the major issue to me so it works.
     
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    I'm keeping my "stash" of super low mounts for when they bring 15mm kills down to 8 yrds Dan :p;):D
     
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    Supper low Rick Arden Custom mounts for the Steyr....pure mount porn:cool::D

    As most people have said, it all comes down to personal preference.

    With the RA mounts my scope height was about 38mm and found that a little too low, now run with Optisan Competition mounts that give me a height of about 40mm.

    33yrd zero and about 26y parallax,
    this gives me a 14yrd second zero so everything from 13yrd out to 25yrd and back down to 34yrd are from x hair's to 1/2 md hold under, 35 -40yrd 1/2 md and 40-45yrd 1/2md to 1md hold over, and I can squeeze 8 and 9yrd together or 9 and 10 yrds together depending on the size of the mini kill;)

    I find that this gives me a chance on the 15mm kills and close range targets ( at one time I was missing 50% of the 15 - 25 yrd targets) and I use parallax error to determine 35 - 45yrds as these are only a mil dot apart.

    Having 30mm kills out to 45 yards now makes it critical to get your rang dead right, and has now play's into the hands of those who use high mounts.

    Find a set-up that works for you and keep with it, if you then think that you have gone as far a possible with it and you can improve your scores by trying another combination then give it a go, as you will always have a bench mark to refer back too.

    Don't forget that playing with the rifles power setting can also help to give you better aim points (or not:rolleyes:)
     
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    low mounts for me, set up to hit 15mm either side of the + WP_20141205_001.jpg
     
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    Little works of art Mike ;)
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    Poor mike he will be having a private moment now.
     
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    Good point, I use a Sightron s111 10x42, so its a fixed mag 10x.

    After trying many different scopes I settled on the Sightron for several reasons, I find the mil dot ret just about the right thickness for my eyes, I shoot wearing verifocal glasses and also have astigmatism and thin ret's are no good for me, plus using a fix mag means I can't keep fiddling with the mag set-up;)
    Also they are brilliant in low light, a few clam the Sightron to suffer with a lot of parallax error, yes the do a little but all that means is that you have to get your head poisition absoultly correct, thats why a fully ajustable cheek peice is a must.

    Again it's all about finding what works, some can find their set-up very early on, others can take a few years, but its fun trying.:D

    ATB
    Mike
     
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