HFT Grading

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Grading

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  1. Sparky

    Sparky Ich dien Staff Member

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    Now this is a hypothetical question poll and we are not thinking about it, but what are your thoughts on having a grading system.
    Instead of having 5 trophies what if we had 3 of each for A&B grade, please don t ask how we would grade it as like I said just hypothetical and just interested in shooters thoughts.

    Pete
     
  2. 5teve L

    5teve L STOP ! HAMMER TIME !

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    I suppose it would work, FT has been doing it for a while hasn't it ??
    There are two sides to this, if it ain't broke don't fix it & then the other of same faces at the top...

    To me it doesn't matter as i think the guys & girls at the top deserve it, just wish i could sort myself out & get there :D

    Steve
     
  3. raygun

    raygun Non member

    My own view is no.

    I think the top shots are not there by chance they have worked for it. Yes they perhaps have more basic ability but it's much more than that.

    Grading would also bring on headaches for the poor sods who would have to do it. You would also have to have a set of rules for the grading.

    HFT is doing O.K. and is enjoyed by many. Does it need "grading" ?
    ATB
    Ray.
     
  4. scutter

    scutter Aspiring to mediocrity

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    The only benefit I could see is this.

    If you have grade A and grade B, you could put all of the grade A's in session 1 and B's in session 2. This would remove the problem of conditions. There is a shooter who is capable of regular 59's but he has to shoot in session 2. Unfortunately this year at Lea Valley and Tawd there were totally different conditions in session 2.

    However I personally think we should leave it as it is, by having a lower standard what is the challenge. I believe that if I work hard enough I can one day be as good as Chris or Sparky it all comes down to how much I want to practice.
     
  5. Scooby

    Scooby Pete Dutton

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    Please don't forget we are talking Grading here & not Handycaps, the top shooters would still win the top grade & the lower grade shooters can still aspire to move up the grades
     
  6. JAGXKRS

    JAGXKRS Sparky's Bodyguard

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    OOOOh look a Sqn of flying pigs :p:p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D
     
  7. Big Si

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    I think it's a good idea that may be more of an encouragement for middle score shooters.

    Si
     
  8. LAity

    LAity Goed Geschoten

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    I put yes but i have changed my mind, i think its a bad idea, i dont doubt you will alway get the decent shooters up there, Sparky, kieran, Chris but also there are loads of people that want to be good..but just dont have the time to practise . Its a shame but if your a B grader and never get to be an A grader then i think this will put you off.

    Just my thoughts

    LAity
     
  9. Levidog

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    I agree with Big Si, it would give the middle shooters something to drive all those miles for. As well as a badge of course.

    Not sure it would drag me from the springer class though.

    Sean
     
  10. Scooby

    Scooby Pete Dutton

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    Sorry shaun but with a grading system we might not need any classes
     
  11. Sam Vimes

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    It doesn't worry me either way as it's looking distinctly like my comp shooting days are all but over. However, I'm very surprised to see you even discussing it. The only benefit that I can see for grading is to spread prizes around a bit to avoid the scenario of the same old faces walking away with prizes every time, as sometimes happens in FT. There's one, otherwise hugely enjoyable, FT competition where I always come away from the prize giving feeling like I may as well have simply given my cash to the usual suspects on arrival.:(
    As long as HFT retains the policy of raffling prizes (other than trophies) then grading would seem to be an unnecessarily complex and contentious waste of time.
    To those that are pro-grading; be wary what you wish for, grading isn't the panacea that you may think it is. You may just find yourself getting weary of those that play the system just so that they can win a few bits of tin.
     
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  12. Levidog

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    In that case I strongly disagree, I assumed that the 5 placings quoted were PCP.
     
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  13. Charlts

    Charlts Getting dusty

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    I can see the sense from both sides. It'd be good to have a low grade shooter going round with a top grade shooter so they could learn by watching one of the top shots. It'd also give encouragement for those that would like to win stuff but don't have time to practice as much as they'd like, to compete to win their grade. The key thing for me would be to mix up the grades so as there are groups of top and bottom grade shooters going round together - Watching the better shooters do their thing at the nationals really helped me when I first started.

    But it'd mean getting rid of the classes we have now and I think the mix is about right although .22 and springer numbers are quite low, it's not fair mixing a .22 PCP and .177 boinger, let alone a tricked out race gun! If the funds would allow trophies for open A,B,C grades then it'd be an interesting addition to whats already in place, but is it really worth all the extra hassle, work and potential for cheats?

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  14. Scooby

    Scooby Pete Dutton

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    But that is the whole point, we only had 2x .22" shooters on Sunday competing for a tankard.

    If grades were used then at each shoot a competitor would be given a percentage of the top score then over a few shoots this would develop into an average percentage which could be used to give that competitor a grade. Therefore the springer or .22" shooter would only be competing against shooters who average the same sort of score.
     
  15. Charlts

    Charlts Getting dusty

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    I'm glad I don't have to make the decision mate, like I say I can see pro's and cons for both ideas. I'm happy either way.:)

    Ryan
     
  16. BOMBER

    BOMBER Little French Maid

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    I am not bothered either way as I am happy with what ever I shoot:D, however I know some may see this as a step in the right direction and some a step in the wrong. Like some before have said alot depends on the amount of practice and kit that is used but I am a firm believer that talent counts for alot and no matter what grading system is used if any it won't change a deal in the world of hft. I suppose what I am trying to say is I don't think its broke so I don't think it needs fixing.
     
  17. Chris Coombes

    Chris Coombes The specialist

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    Well thanks very much me old mate:D
     
  18. Sparky

    Sparky Ich dien Staff Member

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    But that can work the other way also, in the 2007 series the 2nd session was mostly the best, look at shepreth monsoon in the morning sunshine in the afternoon.

    Pete
     
  19. stillwater

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    Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.
    I compete for the fun of it and don't aspire to reach the top or win a trophy,
    There are howether lots of people out there that do aspire to try and reach the top but don't have the time to put in the practise to be as good as the guys and gals who usualy fill the top five places at the UK's.
    So maybe a grading sysytem would work for them, allowing them to win a bit of tin and then move up the gradings.
     
  20. skipper

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    Well i was brought up as a left hand shooter and now shoot right handed using my weaker eye, i dont get to practise and dont really have the means to etc etc etc i shoot anything from 40-55.....so i will never be in the HFT hall of fame with the greats......but do you know what, i dont care , i turn up have a laugh with my missus and my mates, make new friends every time then go home smiling :)

    I wouldnt care what grade i was to be fair, but im sure it would stress some shooters out :rolleyes:

    Ollie
     

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