HFT Handicap

Discussion in 'Hunter (HFT) & Field Target (FT)' started by miketowler, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. miketowler

    miketowler Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2019
    Messages:
    126
    Location:
    Vale of evesham
    Club:
    Nomads, furnace mill
    I’ve only been shooting since last August, but as a observation it would be so nice to help get and keep newcomers to the sport by having some sort of handicap system, much like golf, possibly calling it something like club class,
     
    Dan Smith likes this.
  2. PA410goodshot

    PA410goodshot Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2017
    Messages:
    81
    Location:
    Dudley
    You have one, you score 1 for a plate and 2 for a knockdown. There is a class for vets, Juniors, springer and 22 class. Im sure someone will be along to verify rules etc soon.
     
  3. Dan Smith

    Dan Smith Active Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2015
    Messages:
    526
    Location:
    Wakefield
    Club:
    Emley Moor FTC
    Hello,

    I’ve tried suggesting this a few times - the logic being if you have a handicap you can shoot a round with a better shooter but still have a degree of competition.

    Sadly the reaction I got was firmly negative.

    It seems the best shot must win - handicaps would mean poor shots would get trophies they don’t deserve.....

    It seems a system that millions of golfers around the world are happy with couldn’t possibly work in HFT...
     
    valboskie and Dennis like this.
  4. Cooper_dan

    Cooper_dan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2017
    Messages:
    264
    Location:
    Swadlincote
    Hft masters have a two tier system which i think is the closest you will get

    In terms of a handicap system, it would be too much admin for too few shooters.
    A single golf club can have more members than the entire hft world championship entries. The two arent comparable
     
    Waldo and Ash Bailey like this.
  5. Dan Smith

    Dan Smith Active Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2015
    Messages:
    526
    Location:
    Wakefield
    Club:
    Emley Moor FTC
    There you go mike.
     
  6. Mr. C

    Mr. C New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2017
    Messages:
    26
    Location:
    Eastbourne
    Club:
    Swallows Field Target Club
    What Dan said really.
    As a relative novice I'd much rather my score reflect my ability in the conditions rather than an artificially tweeked number to make me feel better.
    If I shoot really well I might get a gold. I truly would not want to win a comp on a handicap.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2019
    Waldo, MickyFinn, Tone and 3 others like this.
  7. Slip Stream

    Slip Stream Experienced novice

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2016
    Messages:
    58
    Location:
    Herefordshire , UK.
    Club:
    Nomads, Silver Fox Shooting Experience.
    An interesting question !
    Do handicaps work ?
    I can only relate to my personal experience with a handicap system, that as previously mentioned GOLF.
    In my younger days I was a very competitive golfer, travelling around the U.K/European circuit competing against like player's and also Scratch ( professionals ) player's,and no matter how much I practiced I was unable to beat any scratch players even using my handicap .
    It was not until I finally achieved the magical Scratch handicap myself that I began to win and out play other's of the same level.
    At Club level I have also heard on numerous occasions members state " why try harder, when I've got a 10 strock start on other players " THIS I believed causes a lack of drive and self development ?
    In HFT I have also found that though there are a few people who consistently finish in the top 20 of competitions no one dominates the sport, and also on occasions a complete outsider pop's up and wins.
    The Greatest incentive for me is not to beat the next person , but to walk off the course with a smile on my face coupled with the memory of a good time in the company of like minded people.
    I sincerely hope that the future of HFT, FT ,BENCHREST and all the other shooting disciplines keep going down the "FUN AND FRIENDSHIP" in composition road , not the win at all costs !
    This may sound like the ranting of a very old, disillusioned losser. You may be right ?
    But at least I have a laugh and leave the competition with a smile and the desire to comeback and lose again next week:p
     
  8. Mr. C

    Mr. C New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2017
    Messages:
    26
    Location:
    Eastbourne
    Club:
    Swallows Field Target Club
    There's alot of banter about on an HFT course and it's all good fun, well mostly. I'm fairly sure handicaps could stir up some unhelpful comments.
    I have a pb to beat every time I go out. I will probably plateau but hope I'm not there yet.
     
  9. Sparky

    Sparky Ich dien Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,646
    Location:
    Pontypool South Wales
    Club:
    Quarry Hunters
    We have looked at this in the past but the thing is with a National series as people said to keep an eye on club stats to form a handicap system could be a nightmare and can always be open to abuse.
    This is why the badge system was brought in, so everyone has a chance to get something and don’t forget all prizes are rafflesd, not if they went to the winners be a different thing.

    Pete
     
    subaru swift, Waldo, Bensile and 4 others like this.
  10. chucky82

    chucky82 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2014
    Messages:
    72
    Location:
    birmingham
    Handicap systems work at many sports and hobbies but as hft is nearly 100% volunteers giving up time every weekend and sure the nationals and worlds are much more preparation than that. Administration of handicaps system which could be totally abused and neglected in many ways as hard to keep track of all clubs and shooter's individual records . Besides I feel hft has more relaxed attitude and rock on Sunday morning to a bit of banter and only thing I do is try to improve my own score each week regardless of what others score I wanna beat my own pb not with people saying he has only beat me beacuse he has +4 only thing will get me +4 more is practice. So enjoy.
     
  11. vangard

    vangard Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2014
    Messages:
    107
    Location:
    south cambs
    Club:
    Cambridge HFT and Lea Valley airgun club
    I shoot a .22 springer in HFT, and if there was a handicap system it would take away the pleasure I sometimes have when I beat some of the open shooters.
     
    Bensile likes this.
  12. Cooper_dan

    Cooper_dan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2017
    Messages:
    264
    Location:
    Swadlincote
    The badge system in nationals is excellent. New shooters may not be able to challenge for overall trophies, but can definitely aim for the badges.

    Maybe there could be a small trophy at the end of the year for most improved, or highest scoring newcomer (shooting their first year of nationals). But to be honest i think the badge system still does this quite well
     
  13. Ash Bailey

    Ash Bailey Would-be HFT shooter.

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2013
    Messages:
    999
    Location:
    Cinderford
    Club:
    Parkstone GC, Glevum, Nomads HFT.
    Sorry to be blunt, most unlike me...

    But if you don't like the rules, don't take part! Not a dig at anyone, but it's the only reason I never took up professional croquet!

    :(
     
    Wheelieneilie likes this.
  14. dlloyduk

    dlloyduk Over Gunned Amateur.

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2018
    Messages:
    47
    Location:
    UK
    Club:
    NM
    I like the rules the way are, no point in winning with a handicap it's a hollow victory and merely drags the top shooters down.
    I much prefer to beat my own scores and enjoy the shooting, or practice more with better kit and end up gradually worse scores...still enjoying it though
     
    Bensile likes this.
  15. Pidlar

    Pidlar Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    127
    Location:
    Kingswinford
    As the scoring system is essentially based on either a hit or miss scenario then I can’t see a handicap system working.
    I’ve been lucky enough to shoot along side some very talented shots on national events and club days, if a handicap system meant me scoring the same in competition when I haven’t earned it, it wouldn’t feel right.
    Unfortunately beginners are just that. Experience and practice over time lead to higher scores. In my own experience I didn’t consider entering any of the bigger events until I could at least be confident of reaching the high forties.
     
  16. Nick G

    Nick G Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2012
    Messages:
    442
    Location:
    coventry
    Club:
    Greyhound/ Purley Chase
    For me ,Its not about winning,( good job really ! I shoot a springer in field target), I like the challenge , its about improving on your previous performance , which at times can be frustrating , but its good to shoot alongside people who are far better than yourself so you can learn and see what can be achieved . This is a hobby and as such should be enjoyed.
     
    Waldo, MickyFinn and Bensile like this.
  17. stu

    stu New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    Messages:
    16
    Location:
    Cambridge
    I can picture someone clearing a course(not me) but someone else coming first with a 62 after missing 3 target's because they had a 5 point handicap.
     
  18. tillygti6

    tillygti6 Tilly's gun stocks

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2011
    Messages:
    611
    Location:
    herne bay
    A handicap system wouldnt work fairly.
    Theres plenty of guys and girls that like myself dont get to shoot half as often as we would like, but shooting bi annually can still put in mid 50s.
    Give us a handicap and it would be unfair to the shooters that are consistently in the late 50s.

    It's also open to cheating.
    if i had the time, I could shoot every day on a full course. Keep off the nationals and qualifying shoots to gain max handicap...

    Not my style mind

    Certainly on the bigger comps, the worlds for instance, there is always shooters that put in exceptional performances, that would generally be in the low 50s and top shooters that struggle with a bit of pressure /stress or booze and put in lower than expected.

    It's almost anyones for the taking.
    It's almost more the shooter that can deal with the stress/weather lack of sleep over the weekend that does best.not so much the shooting itself.
     
    Bensile and Pidlar like this.
  19. milek

    milek Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2011
    Messages:
    608
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Nomads
    You'll get there Stu.
     
    Pidlar likes this.
  20. Broc968

    Broc968 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2017
    Messages:
    120
    Location:
    Sheffield
    Club:
    anston shooting club
    Handicap system's do not work used to shoot benchrest they did handicap for shooters they used to shoot rubbish just to get a handicap then shoot spot on when came to serious comps,May be opening a can of worms what about graded system like ft
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice