Defiants and the Daystate jobs

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  1. CharlieM

    CharlieM Spring Time

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    They've been around a little while now and the early reports of fliers seemed to be very much a recurring issue.

    So is anyone on the circuits actually using them to good effect?
     
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    Not 100% but I did hear the .22 daystates were very good & that daystate were keeping them, the .177 they were ditching & going back to diablo's.. the defiants are good if there is no wind apparently.
     
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    I tried a load in my Airwolf MVT 0.177 and Grand Prix of the Daystate versions.

    Not very good groups at all compared with the JSB 4.53s that produce stunning results at 40 Yards.

    In fact out of all of us at the club that tried them, no one wanted to swap from the pellets they were already using.

    Mark
     
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    no one i know

    Does anybody actually use the defiants except the people trying to sell them?
    I dont know anyone who is. But I am prepared to be enlightened :D
     
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    I don't know of anyone using either... at 55yds, the box the test pack of 3 head sizes of defiants came in was just about big enough for the group through the walther. :eek

    i had the ones with the splits in the tails, but i'm sure i've seen mentioned that they weren't right.

    dunno, i tried everything with them, cleaning,washing, sizing etc, but to no avail.
     
  6. Ferrets Bueller

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    Pistols seem to like defiants well mine do and im sure ryans does too:)
     
  7. Dave Ramshead

    Dave Ramshead England HFT Team squatter

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    expensive pellets to use for 25yd 40mm kills though:rolleyes:

    The 4.50 versions were ok through my mk4 out to 45yd, but weighed AA had the edge on group size.
    The less trajectory rumour was a load of bollox, some of the pellets did land higher, but they just increased the group size.

    4.53's were shot gun, over 2" groups at 50yd in perfect condition.

    out of all my guns, only the mk4 gave any sign of shooting them (merely OK) but only in the small head size

    Ranger, CA100, S400 and MPR said no:)

    shame really, they looked well made and were excellent for weight spread - all within a 1/10th grain.

    Pax need to make a conventional shape pellet to test head to head against the competition.
     
  8. RobF

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    Yep, I do wonder why they insist on producing the unconventional... perhaps they're hoping to get it right one day and corner the market with a patented design... but i'd like to see a diablo released, as like you say, for weight and looks they seem to of high quality... it's just a shame that i've never got them to realise that promise in actual performance in my guns.
     
  9. Charlts

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    Pax can't make a diablo shaped pellet unfortunately, their machines won't do it. Shame as Deviants were brilliant through my Dommie indoors but just not predictable or consistant in the wind.

    Ryan
     
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    wierd... even on still days i just got fliers... nice grouping fliers, but they flew. Wonder what difference there is between mine and yours Ryan...
     
  11. JAGXKRS

    JAGXKRS Sparky's Bodyguard

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    The original prototype Defiant Ryan and I played with a Shep were bloody awesome, so much so that both Ryan and I were prepared to order 50 000 there and then. They were not the ones put into production for some reason :(:(:(:( tried that one and I reckon I could have got a better group with a shotgun:eek::eek::eek: I've only heard of one person using Rangemasters, he seems to do well but they a tad expensive:eek::eek::eek:
     
  12. raygun

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    I was under the impression that Daystate Rangemaster HE's were no longer going to be available.

    Perhaps PAX will sell them under their own banner.

    ATB
    Ray.
     
  13. Charlts

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    Thats the rumour I've heard, where's \bob when you need him?!:D

    Ryan
     
  14. CharlieM

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    So they have a product produced to an excellent standard with a somewhat flawed design. Wonder why the R&D resulted in in dropping a test version that sounds like it might have been a better performer.

    Interesting that they can't machine a diablo perhaps the design is the best compromise that can be created with the tooling that they have. Don't really see why they have broken away form the more conventional head sizing either. I will try some at some point and see how they fair but the findings always seem to read very much the same.
     
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    Aware that more Shooters are turning to Defiants - after problems with other pellets

    Not forgetting it's not only light weights in Range

    7.50 Grains in .177
    14.00 in .22

    15.00's in .177
    18.00's in .22

    www.defiantpellets.com



    Rangemasters - My understanding that Daystates - have advised Hugh / Pax they will not be ordering more Rangemasters - While He still Produces Piledrivers

    Which are mainly sold oversease - especially .177 - where they are limited to .177

    Red Rag to a Bull ;)

    Have had plenty of requests for 4.50 Rangemasters - As seems a growing number
    have given them time and effort and are managing good results with them

    Understand - Hugh is considering adding them to Defiant Range - When machine time is available
    And if Daystates have not ordered them

    Re Defiants and Exterminators - Bullet Shaped Pellets
    Pax has plenty of orders - enought to keep current machines running

    So why go backwards...........

    Also most of current Production is currently joining other British Air Gun's overseas
    where they appreciate Qaulity ;)

    BOB/R
     
  16. Ferrets Bueller

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    Not really Dave, £11 for 1000 = £5.50 for 500 no more expensive then AA Field, Jsb exact etc etc and who says i just use mine on 25 yards targets, i happliy plink with mine???
     
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    Bob there's no doubting the quality of PAX pellets, but the bullet shape of the Deviants and Range Masters doesn't perform well enough for what I want. I don't now what happened to the prototype ones you gave to me last summer as they were awesome, the production ones were worse than Deviants in wind.

    Lets face it, your biggest market for pileshovers and exterminators is the states where they're more bothered by power than accuracy and we all know bullet shapes work well at high speeds. Shuttlecocks work best at slow speed which is why none of the top shooters here use anything else.

    Ryan
     
  18. Dave Ramshead

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    hello Paul, superdome will do the same job out to 25yds, maybe hobby as well for nearly half the cost. worth giving a try anyway.:)
     
  19. Dave Ramshead

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    Maybe that's the difference between British FT / Target shooters and the rest of the world, how many times have there been British world champs compared to the rest of the world, and that includes the Brits playing 12fpe against fac and silly local rules.

    If a manufacturer talks the talk, the product must walk the walk. For me, even though they looked well made and have really good weight deviation, the rangemasters or defiants simply were not as good as the main competition in terms of accuracy. I, like many others would love to buy British and support Hugh, but not at the cost of reduced performance.

    Build a product that works, people will buy it.

    atb
    Dave
     
  20. Ferrets Bueller

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    Tried them mate, and although not bad they aint as good as defiants aa field etc, so i would rather pay the higher cost peronally:)
     

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