Dedicated BR Rifle

Discussion in 'Benchrest' started by azuaro, Jul 21, 2015.

  1. azuaro

    azuaro Senior Member

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    A long story...

    I was invited to shoot BR (air rifle) about a year ago...The issue was that I didn't have a gun that would fit the profile...I have two FWB rifles for ISSF at 10 meters and a couple of fine springers but neither the 700 nor the 800 would be competitive at 25 and 50 yards and I can no longer load springers because of a shoulder injury...

    So...my only "Long Range" PCP gun was a Steyr LG-110 that I customized for FT...when I attended my first BR competition, I was advised to compete with this gun and if I liked the discipline, to then get a dedicated gun....Very politely it was implied that my gun was not capable of serious competition.

    Most of the BR rifles out there were highy tuned and customized Rapid Arms BM 500's, a TM 1000 with BR stock (very similar to the BM 500), and other really intimidating sophisticated guns...My Steyr by comparison looked like a Mickey Mouse rifle with a little character...Nevertheless, it is to mention that my Steyr is way more expensive than any of those other guns (in the USA)...

    The way the Steyr shot at 50 yards out of the box was not good for my standards, but it was not bad either... it shot .500" groups. But since I never liked the barrel nor the consistency of the regulator, I machined and swapped the barrel and fine tuned the regulator...

    After my empirical tuning, the gun turned out to be a real killer shooting sub .200 - .170 " groups at 50 yards very consistently...While the gun is a FT gun, removing the hook and the forearm makes the LV class and it is as good or better than any of the best I have seen out there...

    I have competed in HV (with a LV gun) and Open classes in 3 states in the US with this Steyr and the gun won against the best of the best by a margin, specially at 50 yards in the open class...Now t is a very well respected gun around the shooting ranges.

    Why do I post a thread about this?...Well, there is the myth that a BR gun needs to be HEAVY for better stability from recoil and vibrations, it should have a BR stock and competition trigger and most of the shooters like LONG barrels with attached barrel tuners and accessories...Better if it is tuned by a renown gunsmith and if it is not COSTLY or look costly, it will not be able to do the job.

    The truth of the matter is that weight has nothing to do with BR in AIR GUNS, to me this is important in .22 RF and higher calibers, but PCP rifles have virtually no recoil...From my perspective weight in a PCP gun that is fired over a rest becomes as important as the color of the stock...Longer barrels have nothing to do with accuracy and to me all attached accessories are most of the times only good for intimidating your opponents....My guns shoot the same with and without tuners, moderators and even barrel weights...Actually, they shoot beeter without any attachments, I kept the Steyr Air Stripper for maintaining the originality of the gun but the gun shoots the same with or without it...For people who haven't seen this air stripper, it turns out to be a good piece of conversation.

    I strongly believe that all that it is required is a gun that shoots competitively, that is consistent and that has a good trigger...Anyone can fine tune a gun, there are tons of information on how to do it over the Internet.

    I recently bought a Daystate Hunter Regal XL (5 weeks ago)...I liked the looks, read good reviews about it and it was a good gun for the price...To my surprise OUT OF THE BOX it turned out to be very and I mean VERY accurate...It is NOT a regulated gun, nevertheless it shot under .250" groups at 50 yards pretty consistent and it gives me 45 shots before it starts dropping the vertical...It is not pellet fuzzy and shoots the same pellets my Steyr does, so this is good synergy.

    After a little tweaking, this Daystate shoots the same point of impact at 50 yards from 925 to 885 ft./sec (10.34 gr, JSB's)...I can shoot sub .200" or better groups consistently because It has a very large sweet spot...This will be without a doubt my next new BR gun...Can you imagine a unregulated hunting gun giving a run for their money to those ultra accurate, dedicated and highly tuned and costly BR rifles? :D

    The trigger in this Daystate is as good as the best factory triggers and this is all that is needed...I was able to set it down to 4 oz which is where I like them for BR competition...This rifle is a US model that is set for 20 ft./lb, we can shoot at this energy in FT and BR competitions the US.

    Summarizing: My intention with this story is to motivate all of those shooters who want to compete in BR but are intimidated or don't have a dedicated PCP BR rifle...Fine tune your guns and trust them....guns are just tools and there are many tools that can do the job very well.

    Regards for all members,

    AZUARO
     
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  2. matt goodson

    matt goodson New Member

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    I've always wanted a go at BR. Shame its not that common round here :(
    Next I suggest buying at hw97 springer and beat them with that.
     
  3. simona

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    Just about the most sensible post I've ever read on here.
     
  4. NeilM

    NeilM Well-Known Member

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    What did you replace the Steyr barrel with?
     
  5. rich

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    One of the best BR shots in our club shoots a S400 classic action in a home made channel section aluminium stock.

    To shoot BR well with an air rifle is far more difficult than it looks. It's also very compelling........:eek:o
     
  6. john0neuk

    john0neuk Well-Known Member

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    More like liable to drive you to madness or drink rather than compelling! :eek:o Only one more card to do........! Must get weighing my pellets!
     
  7. azuaro

    azuaro Senior Member

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    "What did you replace the Steyr barrel with?"

    With an old (12+ years) experimental Shilen barrel made for a prototype CO2 action...The gun was very accurate as the Steyr turned out to be, but the prototype never saw production....Very unfortunately none of the top barrel makers in the USA will consider manufacturing air gun barrels...I offered 2 of them to make a 50 barrel run but they all claim that they are backlogged with other more profitable operations and this is very true as here in the USA we have 1 -2 years waiting time for a .22 RF Shilen Ratchet barrel and the same applies for other premium barrels.

    Steyr Nickel Plates some of its barrels and this kills accuracy, they come alive once the Nickel wears out of the lands and grooves but this takes many thousands of shots...My LG-110 came with one of these barrels.

    I cut the tenon and crowned two barrels and then had themt CERAKOATED (light silver) for keeping the original looks of the gun...One barrel turned out slightly better than the other and that is what is on the gun.
    Please see pics for Tenon, Crown and Cerakoat finish.

    Best regards,

    AZ

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    Originally Posted by rich View Post
    "To shoot BR well with an air rifle is far more difficult than it looks. It's also very compelling........
    More like liable to drive you to madness or drink rather than compelling! Only one more card to do........! Must get weighing my pellets!"

    "Must get weighing my pellets!"
    I hear you...Very fortunately we can shoot at 20 ft./lb. here in the USA and at those velocities and specially at 25 yards/meters pellet weight is not really an issue to be considered....
    I shoot JSB's 10.34 at 920-925 ft./sec. at both: 25 and 50 yards out of the tin but I do wash/lube them to extend cleaning periods...

    "More like liable to drive you to madness or drink rather than compelling! Only one more card to do..."
    Make no mistake about it...In order to shoot well in BR you have to become a MACHINE shooting a machine where the next shot is the most important...If you think you miss!

    Best regards,

    AZ
     
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  8. Turbonoma

    Turbonoma New Member

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    FX elite stock mod for br competitions

    I recently got interested in benchrest competitions and set out to find a suitable gun to begin practicing. Found an FX Elite in 25cal with a Benchmark 3-groove ss barrel for sale. The stock was not appropriate for br competitions. Dedicated stocks are quite expensive. After doing some research I found an economical way of adapting my stock for my needs. Easy on the pocket and works just fine. First time I competed with it I took 1st place in the 75yard 25cal challenge.
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  9. handbylt

    handbylt New Member

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    Ha...make that the ONLY sensible post:D
     
  10. azuaro

    azuaro Senior Member

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    Congratulations!...Nice gun and very good barrel....

    Your stock modification is perfect, Rimfire BR shooters use similar outfits very successfully...The barrel brand has proven to be one of the best for .22 RF BR shooting in the USA.

    Stick to this gun, this quality doesn't come by easy!
     
  11. KevinHarris

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    Steyr Nickel Plates some of its barrels and this kills accuracy, they come alive once the Nickel wears out of the lands and grooves but this takes many thousands of shots...My LG-110 came with one of these barrels.
     
  12. Conor

    Conor Never been banned from sales Staff Member

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    They nickle plate ALL of their barrels and have been doing so for MANY MANY years!
    In fact they have been doing it since they developed their first CO2 pistols.
     
  13. Mac42

    Mac42 New Member

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    I am waiting until 2016 when I can shoot competitive bench rest. .177 air and ,22lr. Looks like it will be trips down to Bisley next year. Anybody any details about postal leagues. I was looking for a dedicated Bench Rest Forum, did find one many months ago but got banned as I said the wrong thing to the wrong person. Are there any other bench rest forums out there?
     
  14. rich

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    You can take part in the Devon County bench rest league without having to live in Devon.
     
  15. john0neuk

    john0neuk Well-Known Member

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    The NSRA postal league is also an option. I shoot it and compete against the rim fire guys - .177 air marked/gauged the same as the .22 rim fire at 20m indoors. You can use dioptre sights or enter the any sites category which allows Telescopic sights as well.
    It is good fun, frustrating and harder than some people think e- even indoors , it has slightly different rules to the other leagues but very competitive for individual and team - you need to be member of an affiliated club I think - I am with Yealmpton.
    kr
     

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