Choosing p.c.p.

Discussion in 'General Airgun Chat' started by Mr B, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. Mr B

    Mr B New Member

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    Hi still looking for first pcp. But want a good one. Just missed a HW100ks first misser:(. Like daystates. Falcon multi bull barrel look lovely. Any one any advice on Falcon?? No one seems to mention them. Are they cr*p,good? Any pcp model advice gratefully recieved thanx...:confused:
     
  2. FUBAR

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    falcons are ok , iv'e had a few light hunter / pb25 or something like that . triggers can be a pain . you will proberbly get all sorts of people swearing on how great daystates are , well me i dont think they are all that really , when you look at the sort of money spend on them and then here the problems they get with them it just dosnt add up in my book . the only daystate i lke is the airwolf but i think this gun is directed more towards the hunter . me im a HW100 man, never had any problems with it touch wood , i think its got the best multi shot mag system on the market simply because the whole mag is made out of one lump of metal, the shot count is pretty good to 6-7 mags before a refill , this is on a karbine which i fill to 200bar and all the shots taken are the same untill around 70 -80bar . i think the hw100 does what other guns do after they have been tweeked or had custom parts fitted . value for money the hw100 100% . saying all that a good old air arms s400/410 will see you right as well . hope this helps good luck.
     
  3. Mr B

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    Thanks Fubar

    So Falcon ok!
    Daystates not as good as people say!
    HW100 or AA400/410 says Fubar.... Thanx Anyone agree or disagree?
    More info on Falcon needed!
     
  4. dave benyon

    dave benyon Spirit of HFT 2009

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    Would go to a local club mate and see what people are using and ask to have a go, most people will be willing to let you try their guns to see what feels best or trip to gun shop.
     
  5. Ripleysniper

    Ripleysniper Team Walther 2011

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    The AAs400/410 is a good start the HW100 not bad but the s400 is a good all rounder.
     
  6. D Martin

    D Martin Non member

    I would suggest that you try as many as possible even if this only means shouldering them to see which fit you the best and what weight you prefer.Also think what you want out of it , hunting,HFT,FT, multi use, shot count, multi load,single load e.t.c as there is such a broad range of precharge rifles available now.
    I.M.O most modern precharge rifles will out shoot their owner/user so it all comes down to personal choice and sometimes the specialist use that the rifle was designed for. By this I mean you don't see many people shooting FT with a BSA ultra multi shot, though I suppose with a few modifications you could, normally though this would be purchased to either hunt,plint or do the odd spot of HFT.
    Also consider your budget and stick to it and don't forget to allow for a decent scope, gun bag,charging equipment e.t.c as these can easily double the price of your chosen rifle.
    I like Daystates but this is because they suit me and I have always found them to be well made, reliable and have always had good results from them in HFT but others may say the opposite and prefer a different manufacturer for the same reasons so it's a bit like buying a car, while your Vauxhall Astra has never let you down, your mates, which is the same model has never been out of the garage and he swares that he will never buy another Vauxhall and exchanges it for a Ford.....see what I mean;)
    Good luck in finding what you want but don't rush into anything and take your time in getting something that suits YOU as a few wrong choices can start to be expensive mistakes and believe me......I know this from experience:rolleyes:
    This is the best advise that I can give anyone thinking of purchasing a precharge for the first time.
    Hope it helps.

    Dave


    Dave
     
  7. Ste Hughes

    Ste Hughes Daystate's whipping boy

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    get down to tawd your only in wigan

    it depends on 3 things

    budget

    how well a gun fits you

    what your using it for

    the only way you can really tell if a gun is ok for you is try it - we can get you a good go of just about any gun at tawd
     
  8. The Darrener

    The Darrener New Member

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    As Dave has said, try as many as you can and decide what you wish to use the rifle for.

    A club near to you would be Tawd Vale FT. www.tawdft.co.uk

    Find your local dealer & speak to as many people as posible who shoot different styles.

    S400/410 best starter PCP as regards value for money followed by Daystate X2 or Harrier X, electronic rifles difficult to repair.
     
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  9. Feral

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    Mine is fantastic
     
  10. w-v-m

    w-v-m Member

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    Aquired an HW100 earlier this year, and haven't really shot it properly, but when I have , its slick, smooth and very accurate, when its dressed in its new adjustable stock-very soon i hope,and been shortened by the loss of its silencer, its gonna get some serious use over the winter.

    I have both AAS410c as a hunter,and a MK3 FTR and they're both superb guns, I've used the FTR all year in HFT competitions and its supremely accurate and never let me down,but has its faults.

    I'm a stickler for buying and using British, but think i'd keep the HW over the MK3 if I had to choose.

    Wayne
     
  11. Ste Hughes

    Ste Hughes Daystate's whipping boy

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    would that be indonesian wood then !!;)
     
  14. Weevie

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    One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet (and if I'm stepping over a line here mods feel free to zap this post but I'm hoping I can keep it decent ;) ) is the fitting of Anti-Tamper.

    By and large, AT means these days the fitting of non-removable bolts to stop you stripping the rifle's action or doing any work on it. The idea is to prevent you from turning the rifle up above the legal limit.

    For the individual owner though, it does have it's downside.

    On some models, for example, the Air Arms S410\S400 (and the S510 too) it will mean you'll not be able to get into the action pretty much at all.

    Why would you want to? Several reasons:

    On the old S4x0 series there was a fine power adjuster (no I'm not going to say where it is or how to use it on a public forum) that allowed a responsible shooter who had access to a chronograph to adjust the rifle's power to ensure his rifle never went over the legal limit whatever pellet he used and to allow for variations in power due to seasonal ambient temperature changes.

    In addition, if the rail on which the hammer which knocks open the cylinder valve got mucky (something that will eventually happen unless you're an indoor shooter!) it often led to inconsistency in power and that could affect accuracy.

    Also servicing the S4x0 series is pretty straightforward if you've got a good set of instructions and some reasonable quality allen keys. The seal kit was available pretty cheaply and a chap with some common sense could do it himself and save himself the cost of getting the rifle to a gunsmith and the cost of the service itself.

    AT, for the competent fellow, pretty much knocks all that on the head.

    The story is similar to some degree or another on most PCPs made in the last couple of years.

    If holding an allen key for any task other than putting a scope on a rifle makes you nervous then none of the above matters. A new PCP will be fine for you.

    If on the other hand you want to be able to do some of the things mentioned above you'd be better off buying second hand.

    As has been said the S400 is an excellent HFT rifle and can be picked up for quite a reasonable price secondhand.
     
  15. w-v-m

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  16. Mr B

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    Thanks All!

    Thanks to dave benyon, Ripleysniper,D Martin,Ste Hughes,The Darrener,Feral,W-V-M,Weevie
    For your help gonna try as many as poss... Gunshop....
    Just registered at Tawd Vale site... Will have a ride one day but working Di$khe4d shifts at the moment..Can't complain that's whats gonna fund the new toy;) (i will be easily recognised as ill be the one people are pointing at saying he han't got a clue) And they will be spot on. Only ever done close range rats and plinking but who knows what the future holds...lol
    Im in no mad rush to get one so can hang on for a good second hand deal. Still got the trusty lightning tactical giant mousalizer to play with....:D
    Thanks again Mr B
     
  17. Nealsey

    Nealsey Two Tins

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    OK buying a PCP,

    If I were you, I would go for the best you can afford, otherwise I can guarantee you that
    within a few months you will be fed up with the one you get and will want to upgrade.
    We have all been there and done it, so save yourself some cash and buy right first time.

    Make sure the rifle fits you and you can shoot with it, some are heavier than others and
    can affect your shooting dramatically.

    Get as decent a scope as you can afford, no sense in an expensive rifle with a milk bottle
    strapped to the top of it.

    Try as many as you can, personally I think a decent electronic Daystate is the way to go.

    Neal
     
  18. JAGXKRS

    JAGXKRS Sparky's Bodyguard

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    And I'm always going to agree with that:D:D:D
     

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