Charging Cyl

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  1. andy1762

    andy1762 Member

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    Hi All

    I am looking into buying a dive bottle to charge my gun. Are the 232 bar ones ok? The EV2 manual says fill to 200bar so Iam I right in thinking the a 232 would be fine?

    I am only asking as I have read where people are using 300bar cylinders.

    Thanks

    Andy
     
  2. raygun

    raygun Non member

    You will get far more fills from a 300bar bottle. You will also have to get it recharged less.

    They are usually a bit dearer to buy but the advantages are worth it.

    ATB
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  3. Scoch

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    As ray says, go for 300 if you can.
     
  4. Gibbs

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    Unless you can get a 232 really cheap and you live very close to a dive shop (for air) then your better off spending that little bit more for a 300.
    They stay in test for 5 years, so make sure the one you buy is in test or cheap enough to justify the cost of a test. (Don't buy a carbon bottle, they are being phased out due to safety worries)
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    If you fill to 200 Bar and refill at 120 Bar, a 3 litre 232 Bar bottle will give you around 5 fills, a 7 litre bottle will give you around 13 fills and a 12 litre bottle will give you around 22 fills.
    In comparison, a 300 Bar bottle will give you around 17, 41 and 70 fills respectively.
     
  6. RobF

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    Make sure you buy a bottle with a built in surface only guage. Not all shops, but a growing amount are saying that if a bottle can be used underwater then they must be subject to that testing and therefore will want a test every 2 years, or they won't fill it.

    It's not a big deal to get a retest, and an airgun bottle has an easier life, but it's a small cost and a hassle.
     
  7. andy1762

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    Thanks Guys

    Thats made my mind up, will wait till a 300 bar one comes up or wait till funds allow a new purchase.

    When first starting out this sport can be quite expensive :eek:

    Andy
     
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    :)

    It can be, but it's got to be one of the cheapest shooting sports out there. Firearms and shotguns are cheaper, but the ammo running costs are a lot more expensive these days.
     
  9. Gibbs

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    If you consider that a new 300 bar bottle is about £190 with the gauge and hose, but secondhand it's worth about £140. So it's like a lot of specialist kit, it holds it's value well.

    As for other shooting sports, clay pigeon shooting costs about £1/min !:eek: So I will stick to F.T

    Atb,

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    One think to consider as well is can the dive shop fill to 300bar. The place the club gets theres filled only goes to 232bar do not know of anywhere else that goes to 300bar
     
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    Avoid the alluminium ones aswell, just sent one for test which failed on an oversize neck, it had streteched with years of being used and had to be scrapped, never saw it again!! better it failing the test though than going bang in the back of the car!! :eek: my other cylinder is a steel one of the same age as the ally one, has had much more use as in emptied and filled more times and tested fine.
     
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    The Dive shop in Chesterfield on Chatsworth road fill to 300 bar its not to far from Sutton in Ashfield
     
  13. andy1762

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    Thanks for that Matt

    Did'nt there was a Dive shop in chesterfield (used to go diving many years ago)

    Andy
     
  14. Scottish Guy

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    Carbon bottles

    (Don't buy a carbon bottle, they are being phased out due to safety worries)
    Atb,

    Alec.[/QUOTE]

    Where did you here this ? And any idea when ? :(
     
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    Where did you here this ? And any idea when ? :([/QUOTE]

    Some of the carbon bottles are ex fire brigade ones and I have been told by the guy that fills our bottles that the fire brigade are phasing them out due to "failures"! and that people are giving up on them for a number of safety issues.
    The neck of the carbon bottles is the main weak point as the threads for the valve are just cut into the carbon and have been known to strip or sheer off. The carbon bottles also have to go through an extra test due to this potential weakness. And they have a fixed life span (unlike steel ones) because they can weaken over time. I'm not sure of the lifespan, but all in all, more trouble than they are worth!
    After hearing stories from this guy about accidents and carbon bottles in particular, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole!
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