Bitterly Disappointed

Discussion in 'Hunter (HFT) & Field Target (FT)' started by Flannelmeister, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Flannelmeister

    Flannelmeister Member

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    After 2 years away from the sport when financial exigencies meant selling all my gear, I finally managed to get some kit to take part again.

    I couldn't afford "proper" FT gun and large range-finding scope so bought an HW97 with a "normal" scope and was looking forward to practising through the winter and taking part in the GPs next year in Sporting Field Target.

    And now the BFTA have dropped it.

    Here I was trying to be an ambassador for FT telling people that no, it isn't elitist, you don't need to spend megabucks on a huge scope, you can take part with a normal hunting type set up in SFT.

    Obviously I was wrong.

    You obviously do just want the people with the money to spend on gear.

    Apart from being personally gutted, I think it is short sighted.

    SFT is a way to bring people into the sport who don't have the resources to buy specialist kit. Far from dropping it, the BFTA should be actively promoting it, putting articles in the airgun magazines etc and getting new blood into FT who are not intimidated by the need for the "right" equipment. I bet many shooters out there who would otherwise have a go are totally unaware the discipline exists.

    Thanks a bunch BFTA :mad:
     
  2. Gibbs

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    I agree that F.T should be promoted and that it needs to encourage newcomers to the sport, but I'm guessing SFT wasn't popular enough?
    I don't like the elitist element to F.T and feel a bit guilty having spent so much on kit (potentially scaring off newcomers) But ALL sports have entry level kit (S/H S400 & a ZOS = £400) and all sports have top level kit.
    If you buy entry level kit wisely and find that you don't like the sport, you could make a small profit when you resell it so it doesn't have to cost you a fortune.
    I started a thread about the costs of F.T compared to other sports and F.T came out looking cheap!

    Atb,

    Alec.
     
  3. pauljv

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    i use a zos and can range find as good as any big nikko user to only thing that lets me down is me and i use the smaller 40 mag one only about 80 quid new and theey come with sunshade mounts and flip ups all you have to do is learn them iv'e gone round courses with guys with leups and been able to range 25 of the 30 targets same and only been a yard or two out on the other 5 so you don't have to spend mega bucks. my PB with it is 29 out of 30 targets
     
  4. rich

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    Bring your rig to the south west and take part in our HFT comps. Our rules are quite similar to the old SFT rules. You can adjust the scope for each target before you look through it. And you can sit on a cushion for the freestyle lanes. You do have to touch the post, and keep below 12 mag.

    We have a category for spring guns in HFT which is separate from the PCPs so you would be competing like for like with others.

    I'm sure one of the south west clubs would be happy to accept you as a country member.
     
  5. Petervw

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    Hft ?

    maybe sell the scope and get a HFT scope ...
    I made the switch from FT to HFT about 3 years ago and still love it , loved FT too :)

    Peter
     
  6. NJR 100

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    Mot actually seen a Zos that could ange find that well myself, but I suppose it goes to show there are good and bad examples of every scope.
    I dont see why 40 mag is letting you down, i do ok with 35.

    Excelent suggestion Rich.
    Mark (flanelmeister) is a member of tondu. I sent Damion the dates so hopefully he is working on them and Swefta 2013 wont clash with worlds and GP.
    If so Mark, offer is there of a lift to all the Swefta shoots I attend.
    Call it flat rate of £15 for Diesel every trip if your interested.
    The series would indeed be right up your street, i enjoy doing the Swefta Hft course for a bit of fun and want to plan something simular at Tondu.

    Does not help with the Gp series perhaps, though there is still spring class.
    However, you have every right to propose SFT again at the agm.

    It is a case though as Alec Says, its not been supported that well over the last few years. Its basically made way for the Freestyle class. I think the thing is, most come into Ft at a basic level but probably go through equipment changes failry quickly as funds allow, just look at arms dealer lol.
    Thus, say someone starts Mfta winter league with s400 + Hawk. By the time First gp comes round they may well be on big nikko + ev2.
     
  7. rich

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    Mark, if your "normal" scope has mildots and can be set to 12x mag or below, use it.

    You'd be welcome to have membership at my club for £24 for the year, starting on 1st February. Our admission process normally looks for four visits before full membership is confirmed but there are exceptions for new members coming from other clubs if they have BFTA or NSRA numbers and are known to committee members here. I'm pretty sure you are the Mark who bought a PR Leupold from me about four years ago so that jumps that hurdle.

    There are other members on this forum who are also members at Shebbear who I dare say - on promise of several pints of beer !! - will queue up to vouch for you. :):):D
     
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    Slightly off topic, yes Simon, Damian and I have been talking about the calendar and he is looking to get the dates of the latter GPs confirmed before slotting our own shoots in between. We were talking only yesterday about avoiding clashes with other BFTA dates.
     
  9. pauljv

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    simon i didn't say the 40 mag let me down i just said i use the 40 mag zos, they do a bigger 50 or 60 mag one
     
  10. RobF

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    You can still shoot sft style. It's not illegal as far as I can tell. Just you wouldn't get a trophy.

    I think the issue was that there was barely a handful competing each year.

    I always thought the rules made it too difficult.

    But as for kit, I think mark fisher was leading the field with a 77 and something like a custom shop a few years back for several gps on the trot. It can be done.
     
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    Rob does that mean you can use any scope and paralax each target but you would then go into a grade rather than stf class
     
  12. neilL

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    The past GP series stats are pretty conclusive that SFT has faded somewhat (and I think it is fair to say that at most GPs the SFT shooters were local to the club or region with obvious exceptions). See here

    Piston class was much more hard fought (and then of course any scope, mag and parallax on each target). The parallax can be changed at the start of the lane for SFT but only once i.e. not changed between first and second target and many people tend to leave it set as is and not change it over the entire course i.e. use their HFT settings and range using bracketing or judgment (and must shoot before any FT style shooter in case they can gain advantage from the other's sidewheel numbers, etc). Oh and of course, you aren't allowed to look through the scope when you set the parallax, so it is like HFT except you decide to leave it as is on every lane rather than for the entire HFT course :) Seems much better to go Piston class and at least see where you missed once the sight has bounced back to the approximate direction of the target.

    In my own club SFT has been used by quite a lot (for local comps) but the prone position is quite different and is not an easy swap from HFT (unsupported i.e. off peg, no butt on ground) and courses tend to be not friendly to prone shots. So SFT is more like HFT with longer targets (on average) but sitting is allowed. I tried it a few times but preferred to keep FT and HFT distinct with different rigs.


    Cheers
    Neil
     
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  13. Charlts

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    Shooting SFT got me into A grade a few years back, I quite enjoyed shooting an 8x scope with fixed px and beating proper FT shooters, if freestyle has replaced it I'd probably shoot in that class if I qualified.
     
  14. Neil

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    I fancied having a go a some form of Motorsport next year but after my preliminary enquiries it appears that no-one would be prepared to put on a special trophy and prizes for (Mondeo Diesel Estate) class as it would be too poorly attended.

    I'm now going onto a few Internet forums to **** off the governing bodies' short sighted approach to attracting newcomers to the sport.
     
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    It was a twenty year old hw77k, and an old second hand leopold efr premier ret boosted to 40 mag, i did six gp.s scores of 43,37,45,46,39, and a disaster at sywell a 24, a good spring gun can be as accurate as precharge as long as you hold it in the same way every time..i think i paid 250 for the scope:)
     
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    Just curious........did you let your rep know that you were against this proposal?
    Proposals have been floating about since June EGM. Maybe the WAFTA rep voted to keep SFT I'm not sure.
    You can still shoot SFT style in any GP but there will not be any trophies. As Simon said, you can make the proposal to re-instate SFT via your club / WAFTA.
    regards Barry McDonald 70756
     
  17. oldybutgoody

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    You could come along to Worcester Air Rifles on the Sporting Air Rifle Chalenge (SARC) dates.
    Look on their web site for details http://www.uksarc.org.uk/
     
  18. sportsmatch

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    simply answer he is from tondu so a winge,*****, moan and want things chaged is the norm :eek:o

    didnt know b it ch would fail a swear filter
     
  19. RobF

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    Yep Paul. You can use any scope and parallax, but you'll go into the grades like everyone else. :)

    ... not aimed at Paul...

    Thing is, if you're doing it for the sport, maybe taking a few scalps, then it don't matter what grade you're in... if you're doing it for the competition, then it's hardly a real competition if there's only 1-2-3 people shooting all season, perhaps you being the only one there.

    I'm not 100% but I think Simon's proposal of fixing a grade was accepted, so if you're worried about losing your grade you can have it fixed up.

    I think what shot SFT wasn't that the BFTA didn't want it, it was on the decks for being scrapped since i've been attending meetings, but not voted out... but it's damned difficult. It's unsupported prone (if you want to shoot it that way), with only one pre guessed parallax setting allowed per lane... i think that's harder than HFT, but at longer targets... oh and a 12x scope max... which means that people essentially might have to buy a scope especially.

    If people are genuinely concerned and have a better idea, i'd suggest putting something together, perhaps running an unofficial class for a few shoots, and proving that it works. But i think SFT was given enough of a shot to work.

    Doesn't stop a region doing it though. It's only GP's etc.
     
  20. Flannelmeister

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    You mean like buying equipment specially to take part in an FT discipline that was perfectly valid and part of the GPs until this week?

    Can anyone tell me what "Freestyle" is?

    That is something that is new to me.
     

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