After Dopper droning on about how unsuitable my stock was on my gun for HFT (even though it didn't stop him from beating me in a shoot off with it when he couldn't be @rsed to walk to his car for his) I gave in and went to see Tilly (never realised anyone could talk so much). I had a fixed vision of what I wanted and met with a bit of resistance from him as it was anything but conventional. Anyway long story short he did what I asked and it turned out better than I could have ever hoped he followed the brief to the letter and I couldn't be happier. A few of my ISP buddies have Tilly stocks and they all handle beautifully. So much so I will be ordering another. So thanks again Tommy you have put enjoyment back into my game. Monkey.