BFTA Ruling clarification please

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  1. Paul M

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    I recently purchased a Protektor PT3 bag to fit to the underside of my hamster on my EV2 to ease the pain on my knee when resting the rifle for a shot during FT competition. A pic of it on my rifle is below.

    I was then informed that this would be illegal to use in competition as it is a shaped bag and against rule 10/IV/d:

    'The surface of the pad on which the stock rests must be flat and not shaped to provide lateral support to the stock'.


    As I read it, the bag HAS a flat surface where it meets the stock and therefore isn't curved around the hamster to provide Lateral Support?

    Your thoughts on this would be appreciated, I've actually ordered the plain #8 sausage bag to replace the PT3 so there's no grey area when I'm in competitions but my interpretation of the rule is leaving a niggling doubt in the back of my mind! I've seen a few of the PT3 bags in use by fellow competitors too so maybe they need to know the rule too!

    Many thanks people

    Paul
     

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    As I see it, the pad is not shaped to provide sideway support to the stock.
     
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    dave croucher ÃŒch bin ein Meister Man

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    no problem

    As i see it, the rule you refer to is regarding padded clothing, yours is part of the stock


    Stand by stand by 45 pages of debate incoming
     
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    That's my point but I'm wondering if I've misunderstood it! The fella who told me it was illegal is a top shooter so I wasn't going to tell him he was wrong!
     
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    Ha Ha, 1 large can of worms freshly opened!
     
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    I would say it's illegal because it does offer lateral support.
     
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    As in forwards/backwards motion?
     
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    That rule refers to kneepads, not fore-ends.
     
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    I was thinking of the hamster rule, maybe that was WFTF rule - can't recall where I've seen it.
     
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    it doesnt

    c. Any type of clothing, glove, or footwear is allowed provided it is not a hazard to the shooter or others. Clothing may be padded to reduce the pressure of the rifle stock resting on the arm or knee. The padding may be e.g. felt, or layers of cloth.
    d. The surface of the pad on which the stock rests must be flat and not shaped to provide lateral support to the stock.

    It refers to padded clothing
    It also states the the surface the the stocks rests on must be flat, the posters sausage bag is attached and therefore part of the stock
    He could even use his protektor jobbie on a padded sleeve or knee and be legal
     
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    This is the one:

    "The surface of the hamster (and knee pad) must be flat and not shaped to provide lateral support to the rifle."
     
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    Ah! I posted the wrong rule then! Thanks for that, so the Protektor IS illegal in a FT shoot then?
     
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    Paul, I don't know if that's a BFTA or WFTF rule so don't take my word for it but I've alway been told that anything shaped that offers lateral support is not allowed.

    Rob or Shaun will know what rule is or Conor may be right and there are no rules :)
     
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    Wheres that from? Cant find it in bfta main shoot rules
     
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    Mr Taylor pointed it out to me when he saw it and told me it was on the BFTA site so I took it as gospel and ordered the other bag. I've got myself confused looking at the clothing rule by the look of it!
     
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    Just done a quick search of bfta main shoot rules and the word "hamster" isnt there. So the quoted hamster rule dont apply
    It may well be in Wftf rules
    We dont shoot to those at a GP, it wouldnt apply

    Since the bag you have is facing fore and aft, any support will be longitudal and not lateral anyway
     
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    Thanks Dave, I've seen the hamster rule somewhere too but can't remember where, I thought it was the BFTA but can't find it myself either now!
     
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    Without looking (because someone else can do that), I believe the rule does not include the hamster.

    The WFTF tried to bring in flat hamsters... i couldn't keep up with where that spiraled off to.
     
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    So to put a line under it Rob, if I was at a comp and I saw someone using the PT3 bag in my original post, I would be out of order if I stared at them pointing a finger and making one of them body snatcher alert type sounds?
     
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    I believe so. Unless it was someone not doing their kneelers right :D

    But the final man is Mr. Shaun Shore. As I said, I believe (and this sounds terrible, but I will have a copy with me come CSFTA's round) that without looking at the rules, it refers only to the kneepad.

    That's bfta. Nefta may something else. Probably something about cobbles...
     

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