BFTA Grade Boundaries

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  1. Shaun

    Shaun Well-Known Member

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    With 8 GP complete the proportion of graded shooters competing (not Piston or SFT) is:

    AA = 41%
    A = 30%
    B = 20%
    C = 9%

    The average for all graded shooters is an impressive 77%

    Of all scores 42.5% of them were graded AA.

    This lead me to think "do the grade boundaries need to change?"

    What proportion of competitors should be in each grade (appoximately)?

    For example:
    AA = 30% then the boundary would be 84%
    A = 30% then the boundary would be 73%
    B = 25% then the boundary would be 60%
    C = 15%

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. NJR 100

    NJR 100 Because I`m AWESIME !!

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    Nothing wrong with the boundries as they are for me shaun.

    Gp need to be made a bit tougher for me. Another pair of standers to make 6

    1 inch kneelers (max of 2)

    25 ml to 40 yards (max of 2)

    However, one thing that needs adressing is people not shooting in the correct class. Maybe we need to move someone achieving Aa grade in C /b grade to AA, but alow them to take the 50 points. Say after three shoots so an average / pattern is established?

    What is the average % scored in each class this season?
     
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    When you start clearing the courses Simon I take note, till then I,ll take that statement with a pitch of salt :)

    Gary
     
  4. Shaun

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    AA = 40.5
    A = 35.4
    B = 31.5
    C = 27.0

    Nothing wrong with the boundries as they are for me shaun

    Nor me Simon but ...

    Should AA be harder to attain? I imagine that when the grade boundaries were first used AA was unlikely to capture 41% of the shooters.
     
  5. PeteM

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    another thought..

    You have a point there... :)
    or maybe GP's should be ungraded events,
    like the BFTA Championships, Europeans or Worlds with that sort of top heavy spread... :D
    Just another thought... ;)
    Of course that would make it difficult for the now lower grades... :D :eek:
     
  6. NJR 100

    NJR 100 Because I`m AWESIME !!

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    thats got nothing to do with it Gary. the only reason i have not cleared a course is me, not the course.
    Scores are too tight for me between classes?

    I dont mind practising 1 inch kneelers and or standers at tondu, and i have said for last couple of years that 25 ml sitters could be out further for gps.

    No problems shooting them in swefta gary and thats just regional shooters.
     
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    How many AA shooter are achieving 80+ % in this years Gps Shaun?

    85% this year??

    How many A = 70 - 80 % - 84%
     
  8. mikewills8904

    mikewills8904 walthers last the course

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    i think the system does need a few teaks ,i can see the logic with moving the aa grade%
    i would like to see 25 mm kneelers
    and ban standers :eek::D
     
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    Mike you read my mind :eek:
     
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    No ban kneelers as most shooters don't know the correct position or choose to ignore it and use their
    own interpritation (contrvercial) but what the hell discuss:D:D

    Aitch the watcher of suss Kneelers
     
  11. Neil

    Neil MFTA Winter League Champion 2011 and winner of som

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    I'd like to see the grade boundaries moved up 5% across the board.
     
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    How many would this shift in each class?
     
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    93 shooters have shot in AA class.

    Of these 47 have an average of 85% or better.

    53 have an average of 84% or better.

    71 shooters have shot in A class, only 11 have returned an AA average.
     
  14. alan-aitch

    alan-aitch I'll practice tomorrow...............

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    Given that my current average is around 81 - 82% and I'll be back in AA come October, this will sound a bit suspect, but I agree with Neil.

    I think the "Elite" grade should be just that, the Elite, not the largest grade.

    Alan.

    EDIT -

    I will add that whether the boundaries change or not won't make any difference to me, whatever it is, it is. I just enjoy driving 350 miles to waste 50p worth of lead and have the piss taken out of me!! :D :D
     
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    25mm kills

    Gp need to be made a bit tougher for me. Another pair of standers to make 6

    1 inch kneelers (max of 2)

    25 ml to 40 yards (max of 2)



    I thought the introduction of the mini kills and 25 mm kills was to seperate the aa shooters a bit more [maybe test there skills a bit more is what i am triing to say].
    How many mini kills have the AA shooters missed? Not many i'm guessing.
    How many shooters in C class have missed the mini kills?
    Apart from the odd ringer in c grade[welsh shooter's] i'm guessing that a lot have missed these targets,and because there has to be ten of them that means that for a C grader it's a forty shot coarse.
    Then to try and keep a decent average distance every other target is out at nearly max distance,say 50-55 yds.
    look at the average scores of the C grader's that are not ringer's 25-30's
    At the end of the day these people are the future of the sport ,if we don't have an influx of new blood then we will have to have coarses that are perfectly level for the Mr calpins and Mr d's of this world to drive there mobility scooter's arround the coarse.
    My point is this sport is a cracker and the people involved however rough and ready ,are a pleasure to to spend time with.
    Let's make the sport one to be enjoyed by all, not just the elite.
    push the pecentages up a bit or create a D grade and look at spreading thing out a bit,But makeing coarses so hard that only AA shooters get a kick out of them is not the answer in my opinion.

    Ratboy
     
  17. NJR 100

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    My understanding Si is that the mini kill feast is more to do with worlds where apparently they are plentyfull?
    I dont think they do nearly as much to sort AA out as standers and kneelers do. Those are the targets that take AA marks?

    As for Gps being elite, use it as a goal to reach AA? worked for me but took 4 years of hard work, and now its only just!
    This is a national level comp, so it needs to be national standard fo me. Regional comps to learn, Gp to put into practice, or try.
     
  18. berty177

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    GP tweaks

    A few things I would look at is as follows......


    Keep the 2 x 15mm kills

    Change the wording for the 25mm kills as, minimum of 3 and a max of 8, so there would be a variation of courses when we attend.

    I would look at having 6 standers to match the amount of kneelers in a course.

    These are not big tweaks to make, but I feel alot of people would be happier with the course layouts then.

    Adding 5% to the grades might be a good thing as well.

    Lets see what is put forward for the next BFTA meeting eh lads and ladies.....


    Berty
     
  19. Jon

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    Whats the point in creating extra grades?
    D grade might as well have E, F, G and so on, where do you draw the line its meaningless. After all AA was created some years back, what should have been done is raise the cutoff on the lower grades.

    Since the lower grade shooters have got better over the last 10 years, what has happened C graders now become B, B graders infringing in A.

    So Ratty to intoduce new blood easy courses should be laid out!
    Beg to differ, this is a national comp to sort the men from the boys, what you should be thinking is why you do FT not how many targets hit.

    If we want to stay the best in the world we have to put courses out to cater.

    Nice to see the new BFTA moving things along rapidly. New proposed look better but scrap the max distance, bring the wind in to effect.
     
  20. rich

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    If you want to have AA grade as an exclusive elite grade, then do away with the 80% "pass mark" and define AA as open only to the top 40 shooters nationally, based upon current (or last year) averages.

    If you think 40 is the wrong number then suggest another. :)
     

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