Ban on 'custom' airgun cylinders?

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  1. AirArmsDavid

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    Does that include custom quick fill connections on the end of original cylinders?
     
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    There are a lot of people with nice titanium cylinders on their Walthers that would not be happy to lose the £240+ they spent if a ban came in
     
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    As far as I can see it would have to - I can see a lot of unhappy people in the FT and HFT game ;)
     
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    Just because someones untested shoddy work from a far off land caused an injury have any bearing on the uk. If the cylinders are tested ,then it should by no problem
    are all manufactures test each cylinder before dispatch ?

    Gary
     
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    Thinking about it - quite a few years ago a GC2 cylinder exploded - that was a production gun with a production cylinder.
     
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    Correct ;)
     
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    Or the maker has to submit a drawing and proof of test to a outside engineering company for approval of sound engineering work? i have crack tested my own cylinder and found it to be sound where do you draw the line.
    Bit like the man who drills the buddy bottles and bolts a Quick fill in the bottom now that's asking for trouble but most are carried out to a good standard i think.
     
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    Like the FX cylinders available for HW100's sold by BAR, V-Mach and Chambers? What about the same tubes available for Rapids? Or the brass 300 bar fill adapters sold in shops that are made in a garage?

    Whilst concerning it's the first time I've heard of a home brewed cylinder failing whilst being filled normally and only the second time I've heard of it happening. Why ban something based on one persons **** engineering, when they're responsible for the failure?
     
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    You will always get someone who doesn't have pride in their work & makes something that may be unsafe.

    There are quite a few people out there who produce cylinders or quickfills that have had their work pressure tested & whose work is at least as good if not better than the original manufacturers.

    It should also be noted that not every Manufacturer pressure tests every cylinder, its often just a small sample or even just one of them.

    Admittedly it may pay for the aftermarket quickfill & cylinder manufacturers to get a sample independantly tested for everyones piece of mind.
     
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    Maybe we should find out who produced the quickfill that failed then we can avoid his work if it ever turned up in the UK
     
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    Scooby Pete Dutton

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    It doesn't seem that there is any proof the cylinder was actually defective, it could have been a damaged quickfill or the damage could have resulted during normal use of the rifle or during the repairs carried out by the owner.

    If you go down the path trying to reduce every potential safety problem you will then try banning anyone from modifying, tuning, repairing or maintaining their rifles.
     
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    When someone's barrel points at my eye, as occasionally happens, I feel uneasy, don't you? Is it loaded?
    If I notice a non-standard cylinder, how do I know it's design has been properly tested to whatever is the relevant British Standard?

    I understand manufacturers test a quantity of their cylinders, as car makers crash test a few 'sample' cars.
    I'd be happy if at least an aftermarket cylinder manufacturer tested a batch of each of their cylinder designs, but I'm not sure that happens. Certainly not with home made ones.

    I agree with you and Ryan on the filling connector issue. I've had first hand expeience of a custom brass fill probe giving way whe first I used it. Fill hose went whipping away from me, fortunately.

    Perhaps those owning £240 cylinders will understandably be answering "no ban" here, but isn't an eye or a hand worth more than that?

    :confused:
     
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    Fair point.

    I personally don't know anyone who's knocked up an air cylinder themselves.

    But as far as the known makers of aftermarket cylinders is concerned, who does properly test them and what proof of this could I get as a buyer?

    I'm guessing the majority of shooters considering a titanium cylinder would go to such a specialist. Or maybe their local engineering firm who doesn't have the first idea about pressure vessels and who should decline the job.
     
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    so banning custom cylinders may seem like an easy option, what about the people who drop there rapids and mabee damage there buddy bottles, theres no legislation they get it tested, even if there is they may not know that.so then youl feel uneasy about standing next to anyone with a gun atall. just incase?

    a few people i know who make quick fills and the like have paid too have them testedat design stage, and realistically id pay an extra tenner when buying to have it tested and certified. not hard really is it,

    there will always be people who are crap at making things and accidents happen but by there very nature most are accidents,
     
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    just re read my post... wasnt aimed at rapid owners being unsafe :eek:
    just the first gun to mind thinking of buddy bottles.........
     
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    As a buyer you could easily ask the manufacturer what proof they have if any & then you would make your own decision whether to purchase or not.

    I doubt you'll find many engineering firms that haven't got a clue about pressure vessels & even less who would make one if they had any doubts.
     
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    At this point in time without knowing all the facts this is just speculation and scaremongering.
     
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    Custom cylinders

    no there is no reason to ban (not that it could be done )or try and ban after market quick fills or cylinders
    the problem comes from morrons doing stupid things .fiddling ,fitting the wrong threads and adaptors .etc
    i saw a picture a while ago of a rapid 7 bottle that had been drilled and tapped and had a aa quickfill on it .....madness ,
    i deal with hydraulics and hoses every day and the amount of people that come to my counter with mad ideas is scary .
    i can only speak for one person that makes titainium cylinders that happens to be a very close friend of mine .and i know that he has done tests on cylinders to ensure they are safe ... i know as i built the test kit .
    i am sure that the air arms s400 cylinder is designed to bevel out at the front end when over charged ...i am sure that would go with a bang
    i do think that it would be good to know if there were unsafe kit going around ,however i do think that most of the problems come from people either fiddling with not enough knowledge of what they are dealing with .

    if anyone is is unsure if things are unsafe ,then either ask about it or dont buy it .no one forces anyone to change there cylinders .
     
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    "it might be cause there wasn t enough thread to hold as they probably tried to save space in the cylinder for more air"

    The above was taken from one of your replies in the original thread and to me if that is the case then that is bad workmanship that caused the failure, and as stated by Pete you will always get people who take no pride in their work.

    I'd take a guess that there are more failures that cause injury or death from people modifying cars/bikes etc than from airguns, should we ban those??

    If you're not comfortable with being around air cylinders then only shoot springer and stay at home away from anyone with a pcp. ;):D
     

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