100 yard Target for Air rifles 12ft lbs/16 joules - no FAC

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  1. PeteM

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    100 yard Target for Air rifles 12ft lbs/16 joules - no FAC - to be called - 100 Yard Air

    I've been thinking (yes, that is dangerous :D) about the idea of 100 yard paper target competition for some time now.
    Probably winter only, so competition could be shot from cover as per Smallbore etc.

    The idea is to keep it simple, minimal rules (ha! ha! ;))

    a.) Air rifles 12ft lbs/16 joules no FAC
    1.) Springers, PCP, or Any Other Type, Any Calibre i.e. no separate classes
    2.) Open i.e. no grades
    3.) Shooting Jackets and Gloves allowed
    4.) No Slings
    5.) Prone section using a bipod or front sandbag, no rear sandbag
    (no Benchrest or F Class type bipods - simple Harris type)
    6.) All rifles would be chronographed at every competition
    Just before handing in cards for scoring, direct from the firing line
    With the pellets used for the competition

    b.)Three sections of 15 shots = 45 shots
    Time for each section = 30 minutes - total time limit 1hr 30 minutes - that gives 2 minutes per shot
    1.) Sitting (FT style) - 15 shots
    2.) Kneeling (FT style) - 15 shots
    3.) Prone using a bipod or sandbag (not Benchrest or F Class types - simple Harris type) - 15 shots
    4.) No rear sandbag to be used

    c.) Target Size & scoring
    1.) target size - standard 100yard Smallbore target
    2.) inward gauging

    d.) Entry cost
    1.) Cost of three targets - 1 for each section
    2.) Range fee
    3.) Entry Fee
    4.) Total Cost

    This is just a beginning point of my idea.
    So does anybody have any thoughts on this idea?


    I have been able to make 5 inch, 10 shot group @ 100 yards in low wind conditions,
    with a 12ft lb air rifle, Steyr Lg110, using .177cal 7.9 grain pellets.
    When the wind increases it gets much more difficult.
    I suspect using heavier pellets would help.
     
  2. CoolId

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    The idea is great, Pete, but it might be limited by the availability of 100 yard ranges available for air gun at a reasonable cost. 50m would be a lot less exciting but a lot more achievable for most airgun clubs. Postal competitions are going to have to be the way forwards given the cost of travel nowadays.

    Don't give up on it

    Best wishes

    Dave
     
  3. PeteM

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    I'm looking at existing smallbore ranges, most have a 100 yard range.

    Yes the cost could be a problem, but I'm sure there is a way around it.
    Yes 50 yards is more achievable, but the 100 yard challenge is much more exciting.

    I will keep with it. I'm sure there is a way to achieve this,
    of course it might not be of interest to people, so then it's a non-starter. :D
     
  4. rich

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    Outdoors at 100 yards in any wind at all you might find a problem even hitting the card target.

    A wind as little as 1mph will blow a pellet two inches or more off course at that distance. OK if the wind is consistent and you could allow for it, but a wind that is basically head or tail but oscillating about that point will lead to big group sizes.

    I agree about postal comps, that has to be a way forward for the future. Maybe lose the social side but travel to some venues is just too expensive.
     
  5. JamesO

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    I like this idea, especially as I have access to the required range at my club.

    It seems a postal comp would be the way to go. My only reservation is the part that the weather could play. And finding the time..........

    Perhaps if some examples (images) of what could be acheived under competition conditions could be posted by way of a benchmark, shooters may take up the challenge. Maybe just do a two round comp to wet the appetites?

    James
     
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    A little compromise on the ranges maybe? 75 yards?...should bring in the 'skills'...ranging...wind etc into acceptable levels for FT shooters....
     
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    we shoot 100yds regularly down our range, we have a plank nailed to a tree with four JSB pellet tins taped up and sat on the plank with a string to let them drop but not dissapear, the idea is to hit 4 for 4 with a springer (off a rest), the wind makes it a real challenge but if its consistent we have done it several times!
    the frustrating bit is when you hit 3 then the wind changes!!:mad:
     
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    Well, I take part in postal indoor comps and that works very well so I can see that this could too. The concern I was trying to express was that the competition ought to test the person's skill, not their luck with the wind.........:( It would be nigh impossible to compare two cards in a postal comp when one was shot in almost still conditions and the other had a squally force four running.

    Maybe we would shoot each round only in wind speeds up to say force 3? Each competitor could mark the wind speed (read from an agreed anemometer) on the card? Tie break situation, benefit given to the card shot in the windier condition.
     
  9. PeteM

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    Yes finding the time could be a problem.

    I'll shoot some cards at my local rifle club, and post them up with the recorded wind speeds & direction.
     
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    Is not reading the wind part of the person's skill set? ;)

    I agree, it would be better if everybody shot the same range on the same day, but even so the wind changes throughout the day, look at FT competitions.
    So again, unless it was indoors..... :D

    From the point of view of how much windage a shot will take, for instance, shooting over 1000 yards one can give as much as 36 inches of windage sometimes more. It's a matter of being able to read & judge it, that is part of the skill set. :)

    I would think there would be wind flags (25, 50, 75, 100 yards) on the range to give some indicator.
    I also can't see a problem with using a hand held anemometer, but that only gives the direction & speed where you are.

    Look at wind flags on a 100 yard smallbore range, I've seen them going in all different directions at the same time.
     
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    Target Test @ 80 Yards/73.2metres


    This was my first attempt. Could only manage 80yards on the flat at home.
    Probably the worst conditions to try in.
    I was giving about 6 inches/15.2cm of windage.
    47 clicks @.1mrad per click (1cm @100metres)
    Which strangely enough, is the same as my 8yard
    Zero was 30yards



    Large Square - 6" x 6"
    Small Square - 2.5" x 2.5"

    Six Shots in each square

    Date: 14 -09-2010
    Time: 17.45 hrs
    Distance: 73.2 metres/80 yards
    Wind Speed: 1 to 6ms/2 to 16mph
    Wind Direction: Full Value Right to Left
    Altitude: 243.84 metres/800 feet
    Precipitation: Light Rain present

    Rifle: Steyr LG110 FT
    Ammo: JSB Exact Express/4.52mm/7.9 Grains
    Velocity: 790fps
    Scope: Falcon Menace Metric 16 x 44 Custom FT Reticle

    Position: Prone with front rest (cheap plastic mtmcase-gard front rest)
    http://www.mtmcase-gard.com/products/shooting/shooting-rests-frr.html



     

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    More Targets 80yards

    X ring is 25mm
    10 ring is 45mm
    9 ring is 80mm
    8 ring is 120mm
    7 ring is 140mm
    6 ring is 195mm

    Range: 80yards
    Wind: Full Value Right to Left 2 to 5ms
    Rifle: Steyr LG110
    Pellet: JSB Exact 4.52 7.9gr
    Velocity: 790fps

    Shot prone using Harris Bipod
    3 sighting shots then 5 shots each card
    About 4 inches of windage given :)
     

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    Beats climbing up hills and getting shot at from the Zero range Pete.
     
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    More tests today @ 100 yards

    Went to my local smallbore club this morning.
    Shot off bipod prone, same equipment
    Shot some cards @100 yards using existing smallbore cards

    Standard Smallbore 100yard target - - 275mm diameter
    12mm - inner 10 ring - 0 shots
    25mm - 10 ring - 2 shots
    72mm - 9 ring - 2 shots
    88mm - 8 ring - 3 shots
    120mm - 7 ring - 2 shots
    150mm - 6 ring - 0 shots
    180mm - 5 ring - 1 shot
    275mm - 2 ring
    10 shots total
    &
    UIT 50m & 25m Precision Pistol Target - PL7 - large target 500mm diameter
    25mm - inner 10 ring - 2 shots
    50mm - 10 ring - 4 shots
    100mm - 9 ring - 5 shots
    150mm - 8 ring - 3 shots
    200mm - 7 ring - 2 shots
    250mm - 6 ring - 1 shot
    300mm - 5 ring - 1 shot
    500mm - 1 ring
    18 shots total

    There was a light wind.
    Not much vertical spread with shots.

    I will try to take some photos of the targets and post them.

    This could be feasible as a competition.
    Using the standard smallbore 100 yards target.
    Which is three targets vertically.
    The top one is for sighters
    The next 2 for 10 shots each.

    The smallbore format is 20 minutes, unlimited sighters, 10 shots each on remaining 2 targets.
    There is no doubt this would be challenging especially reading the wind.

    Target photos now added
     

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    ????

    Not sure what you are alluding to Terry. :)
     
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    I like the idea Pete, I will try and sort out somewhere to put up a target or two.
    It will give me something to do in place of a winter league!:)
     
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    Dave who I was shooting with Sunday had a flyer come off the zero range, hit him on the cheek whilst standing on lane 8/9.
    Your Idea looks good, perhaps we might try something up our Range and see what sort of results we get and send them to you.
     
  18. PeteM

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    OK

    I really enjoyed this today.
    Surprised the smallbore guys, they thought I had lost my mind, until they saw the results.
    They were saying he's hit the paper in surprise, with the first few shots, they could hear them going through the target.
    When they saw some 10 ring hits, they couldn't believe it. ;)
     
  19. cb2591

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    Im interested,good idea. Not tried 100 before ,will have a go.
     

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